From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/60585 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ted Zlatanov" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Changing charset for posting news Date: 18 Jul 2005 10:33:30 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <4nd5pg18w5.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <4nbr57naf1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <17108.20738.57239.905612@parhasard.net> <4n64vcjcwo.fsf@lifelogs.com> <17114.21866.109263.589624@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121697326 7650 80.91.229.2 (18 Jul 2005 14:35:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M9113@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Jul 18 16:35:15 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DuWhi-0004Yn-An for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:34:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1DuWgn-0001Ol-00; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:33:49 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1DuWgf-0001Of-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:33:41 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DuWgd-000670-Cu for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:33:39 -0500 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.9.41] helo=mail.bwh.harvard.edu) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DuWgc-00067Q-00 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:33:38 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 27574 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 14:29:38 -0000 Envelope-Sender: tzz@lifelogs.com Envelope-Recipients: kehoea@parhasard.net, ding@gnus.org, Original-Received: from asimov.bwh.harvard.edu (HELO asimov) (internal?.8?user:?tzz@[134.174.8.118]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.bwh.harvard.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Jul 2005 14:29:37 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: "Aidan Kehoe" , ding@gnus.org Original-To: "Aidan Kehoe" X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" X-Hashcash: 1:20:050718:ding@gnus.org::Fc7aNj5knd86Y00S:00001t9J X-Hashcash: 1:20:050718:kehoea@parhasard.net::jxqOPFBrCdHq3jup:000000000000000000000000000000000000000002bMb In-Reply-To: <17114.21866.109263.589624@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:56:10 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on sysblade0.bwh.harvard.edu X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.8 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60585 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60585 On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, kehoea@parhasard.net wrote: > Ar an c=C3=BAigi=C3=BA l=C3=A1 d=C3=A9ag de m=C3=AD I=C3=BAil, scr=C3=ADo= bh Ted Zlatanov:=20 > > I think removing features is the wrong way to go, personally. Setting > > the charset per newsgroup is useful. >=20 > Do you use the feature? Since Emacs de-unifies the Han character > sets, the only people for whom this would be theoretically useful, > in the presence of a working mm-coding-system-priorities variable > that chooses the character set based on the message content, would > be Russian speakers who want to choose between koi8-r and > windows-1251 for their Russian posts. Are there any such users? (Or > Bulgarians or Serbs etc. who want to make the same choice, I > suppose.) Some groups (Usenet and others) require a certain character set. I don't think mm-coding-system-priorities will handle that. This is not just for Cyrillic posts. > Agreed, it does offer a better out-of-the-box experience for > Cyrillic users; but changing the default value of > mm-coding-system-priorities based on language environment would > achieve the same thing, I think. Would it work, then, to connect the per-group charset parameter with code that uses it to set the mm-coding-system-priorities on group entry? I think that's what you were suggesting as well. > And it=E2=80=99s horrible, horrible code :-) .=20 Simplifying or eliminating bad code is definitely a worthy goal. I just think the feature is valuable. Ted