From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/55253 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Spam.el tutorial Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:16:13 -0500 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4nekv4be8i.fsf@collins.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <87pteok281.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <4nn09sbhvy.fsf@collins.bwh.harvard.edu> <87brq8h3g0.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <877k0wh39f.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1071613066 12184 80.91.224.253 (16 Dec 2003 22:17:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3793@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 16 23:17:43 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWNVf-0000cA-00 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:17:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AWNVG-0000en-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:17:18 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AWNV8-0000eh-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:17:10 -0600 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (clifford.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.9.41]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D4C3A0044 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:17:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from collins.bwh.harvard.edu (collins [134.174.9.80]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hBGMGE703272; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from collins.bwh.harvard.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collins.bwh.harvard.edu (8.12.9+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hBGMGEuB028936; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by collins.bwh.harvard.edu (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id hBGMGEpj028933; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Kai Grossjohann X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Kai Grossjohann , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <877k0wh39f.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> (Kai Grossjohann's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:16:44 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (usg-unix-v) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55253 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55253 On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, kai@emptydomain.de wrote: > I think *now* I understand: spam-autodetect can do like spam-split, > but without splitting. Yes, using all articles or only the unseen ones (default is unseen). When you enter an autodetected group you'll basically run spam-split on all those articles. But you can specify whatever spam-split methods you want to use. > For me, spam splitting is done on the server side with bogofilter, > and there is no easy way for me to tell Gnus to invoke bogofilter on > the server side. So spam-autodetect is out, I guess. You can still use spam-use-BBDB, spam-use-blacklist, spam-use-blackholes, etc. > (I'd need a local bogofilter database it seems. Wonder whether it's > worth it. Maybe NOCEM can help? What does it do, anyway? There is > a vague connection between NOCEM and spam in my mind.) NOCEM is definitely not what you want, although there could be a spam-use-NOCEM variable for those who don't mind REALLY slow spam autodetection. NOCEM is sort of like a global spam-cancelling list except with Gnus it was REALLY slow for me on a local fast news server. You could rsync the bogofilter database every hour or whatever is appropriate to your local machine. As long as the two versions of bogofilter are the same, there won't be any binary compatibility problems. I do that and it works pretty well. I've promised I'll stop adding spam.el features, so I won't do this for No Gnus, but the next features of spam.el will be mass spam detection and better summary display of spam. Mass spam detection will be able to invoke certain programs once for a whole bunch of articles, which will make spam autodetection much faster. In fact, people may start using spam autodetection instead of incoming mail splitting :) Ted