From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/54602 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus-del-mark vs gnus-expirable-mark Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:56:47 -0500 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4nekwt8hww.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <76k76m1ey2.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067619471 24813 80.91.224.253 (31 Oct 2003 16:57:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3143@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Oct 31 17:57:49 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFcaq-0000zG-00 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:57:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AFcak-0007J1-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:42 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AFcag-0007Iw-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:38 -0600 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (clifford.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.9.41]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5AA3A004C for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:37 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (lockgroove [134.174.9.133]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h9VGvB713178; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:57:11 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.0) id h9VGum812671; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:56:48 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Jake Colman X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Jake Colman , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <76k76m1ey2.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> (Jake Colman's message of "Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:30:29 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (usg-unix-v) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54602 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54602 On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, colman@ppllc.com wrote: > If I mark a message using 'd', I get the gnus-del-mark. When/how do > those messages actually get deleted? How does this differ from > gnus-expirable-mark where the message gets deleted after the > expiration time? Aren't they effectively the same? Think of the deleted mark as deleting the article from the summary view - more like a "this has been read" mark. I think that because Gnus is somewhat newsreader-oriented, deletions are not quite as deadly as they are on mail-oriented MUAs. On a news server, you can't actually delete an article (normally). The delete/expire metaphor works nicely for IMAP, because there you also have a distinction between "has been read" and "to be deleted" marks on articles. Ted