From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57096 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Terminology Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:50:03 -0400 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4nvfjtgwk4.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <4nvfkkvodw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n7jwhaug6.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <4noeps9ehx.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <87d666l9hx.fsf@uwo.ca> <87y8otogpa.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <87ad19faqt.fsf@uwo.ca> <87oepos7w0.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082563509 2208 80.91.224.253 (21 Apr 2004 16:05:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5636@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Apr 21 18:04:59 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGKDb-00047Y-00 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:04:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BGKDQ-0005NO-00; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:48 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BGKDM-0005NJ-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:44 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGKDK-0007Xz-HN for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:42 -0500 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (clifford.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.9.41]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB13F3A0076 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from asimov (asimov [134.174.9.63]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id i3LG4e121878; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Kai Grossjohann X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Kai Grossjohann , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <87oepos7w0.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> (Kai Grossjohann's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:13:03 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57096 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57096 On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, kai@emptydomain.de wrote: > I'm not sure that we want to document "`read' is ambiguous". I > guess that it would be much better to avoid ambiguity. It's obvious some sort of clarification would be useful. Let's not confuse the terminology of marks with the terminology of articles - e.g. there's no "unread" mark but there are unread articles. Maybe the two terminologies should be clearly separated but in the same section. Additionally, it may be confusing to non-native English speakers that the word "read" is both the present tense and past tense of the verb "to read," in addition to being an adjective. Unfortunately English is full of these ambiguities. Ted