From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/54669 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: spam/ham exit processors Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:17:05 -0500 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4nvfq0ds72.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <76ekwpy35x.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> <4nllqx47mx.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> <87ptg9ryb2.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <87vfq15h3o.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <4nllqx16ul.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> <877k2h5ds4.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <4nptg8sw8u.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> <7665i0rwwm.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067962735 32524 80.91.224.253 (4 Nov 2003 16:18:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Russ Allbery , ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3210@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Nov 04 17:18:52 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AH3tM-0005BR-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:18:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AH3so-0001Jy-00; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:18:18 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AH3se-0001Ii-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:18:08 -0600 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (clifford.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.9.41]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D749F3A0058 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:18:07 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (lockgroove [134.174.9.133]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hA4GHT717662; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:17:29 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.0) id hA4GH6e08005; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:17:06 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Jake Colman X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Jake Colman , Russ Allbery , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <7665i0rwwm.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> (Jake Colman's message of "Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:11:37 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (usg-unix-v) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54669 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54669 On Tue, 04 Nov 2003, colman@ppllc.com wrote: >>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov writes: > > TZ> I think you want an intermediate "spam" group with its > TZ> process-destination set to "train", and then run > TZ> spam-processors on "train" only. So all spam will flow to > TZ> "spam" and then you can pop ham back out of "spam" before it > TZ> all gets moved into "train." > > TZ> I like the "train" approach also because Bogofilter can be > TZ> easily run on all those messages from the command line. > > But if the messages were already filtered into the "intermediate" > spam group it would seem to indicate that spam.el (through whatever > statistical tool is being used) already determine it to be spam. So > why do you need to ever move messages from one spam group into > another? Because I like to verify (visually) that messages are spam before training my filters on them. This has given me the result of 2 spam messages in the last week that got through, out of a few thousand spams. Some people don't want the inconvenience of spending time looking at spams, so they train on whatever is in the spam folder. That's fine too. Ted