From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/51995 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Ham messages not being moved anymore Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:46:40 -0400 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4ny91sasyn.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <4nel3lqhsg.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051717700 7120 80.91.224.249 (30 Apr 2003 15:48:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M538@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Apr 30 17:48:19 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19AtmC-0001H8-00 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:45:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19AtnD-0002VH-00; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:46:47 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19Atn8-0002VC-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:46:42 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 90053 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2003 15:46:42 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 90048 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2003 15:46:42 -0000 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (134.174.9.41) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2003 15:46:42 -0000 Original-Received: from lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (lockgroove [134.174.9.133]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h3UFkeI19158 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.0) id h3UFkeO07044; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: ding In-Reply-To: (Niklas Morberg's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:53:13 +0200") X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: ding User-Agent: Gnus/5.09002 (Oort Gnus v0.20) Emacs/21.3 (usg-unix-v) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51995 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51995 On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, niklas.morberg@axis.com wrote: > The first thing that got me was that messages are no longer > marked as read just by viewing them. This is good and just > something that I needed to learn. I'm not sure what you mean, messages should get the read-mark when they are viewed. This is exactly what should happen, so they are considered ham and moved out of the spam group. > The second thing was that I had configured the parameter > > (ham-marks > (gnus-read-mark)) > > for my spam group. When removing this configuration, read > messages (explicitly marked as read by pressing `d' in the > summary buffer) were moved properly. > > With this configuration, read messages are not moved. Am I > using the ham-marks parameter in the wrong way? Not wrong, just not what you want. The default ham marks: :variable-default '((".*" ((gnus-del-mark gnus-read-mark gnus-killed-mark gnus-kill-file-mark gnus-low-score-mark)))) should cover everyone (though I'm not sure about the kill-file and low-score marks, I think they're better as ham marks than spam marks). The mark definitions in gnus-sum.el say: (defcustom gnus-del-mark ?r "*Mark used for del'd articles." :group 'gnus-summary-marks :type 'character) (defcustom gnus-read-mark ?R "*Mark used for read articles." :group 'gnus-summary-marks :type 'character) What you call "explicitly marking messages read" is considered a delete operation internally in Gnus, thus the del-mark. I think the word "delete" was avoided in user interactions so users don't get the impression they are expiring the article or removing it through the backend (B Del). Thanks Ted