From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44715 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Bely Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Copyright/license issues (was: [COMMIT] sign & encrypt changes) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:48:13 +0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <4rhlmlpe.fsf@mail.ru> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020696599 24359 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2002 14:49:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 174joN-0006Kl-00 for ; Mon, 06 May 2002 16:49:59 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 174jnT-0005cz-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 09:49:03 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 06 May 2002 09:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02860 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:49:11 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.11.2/8.11.1) id g46Empf17922 for ding@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:48:51 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02605 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:56:47 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 14575 invoked by alias); 6 May 2002 13:56:27 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 14570 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 13:56:27 -0000 Original-Received: from relay.rinet.ru (195.54.192.35) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 May 2002 13:56:27 -0000 Original-Received: (from uucp@localhost) by relay.rinet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g46DuFd05384; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:56:16 +0400 (MSD) X-Envelope-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Received: from bely.stormoff (BELY) [192.168.0.10] by stormoff with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 174iqb-00076w-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:48:13 +0400 X-Comment-To: Simon Josefsson Original-To: Simon Josefsson In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Mon, 6 May 2002 15:25:04 +0200 (CEST)") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) XEmacs/21.4 (Civil Service (Windows), i586-pc-win32) X-Scanner: exiscan *174iqb-00076w-00*uwF0L8yHNvs* (EURESCOM GmbH, Heidelberg, Germany) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44715 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44715 Simon Josefsson writes: >> All XEmacs packages are already precompiled. You may include them in the >> distribution, my update them off the XEmacs website, or may create >> the necessary .deb packages, that will be handled by apt/dselect. In any >> case I fail to understand why having Gnus included into Emacs tarball (and >> following FSF copyright policy) is so important. > > Because it is included? So there is no real reason. > If our goal isn't to be included in Emacs, we can > chose this and go our own path (like all previous Gnus forks has done). > But then someone else will maintain the Gnus copy that IS included in > Emacs, and I suspect most developers will follow that route instead. > > If you want Emacs to use a package model so that Gnus is not shipped with > Emacs, this is the wrong mailing list for that discussion and emacs-devel > is probably more appropriate. This topic was started from Florian Weimer's statement that he cannot any longer develop gpg.el because gpg.el does not follow FSF copyright policy which is necessary because Gnus is included into GNU Emacs tarball. I think I have explained why in fact there is no real reason for Gnus to continue following FSF policy and abandoning any copyrighted code. So I think now the topic is really over. Hope to hear from you soon, Dmitry