From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/61952 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "David Chmelik" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: (offtopic?) making gnus easier Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:33:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50683.66.243.248.177.1139754815.squirrel@mail.nwinfo.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1139768544 16933 80.91.229.2 (12 Feb 2006 18:22:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+m10479@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Feb 12 19:22:20 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F8LrI-00034W-Jh for ding-account@gmane.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:22:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1F8Lr6-0006Gt-00; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:21:52 -0600 Original-Received: from nas01.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.39]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1F8Hse-00063q-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:07:12 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by nas01.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Hsb-0001mr-7s for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:07:12 -0600 Original-Received: from 66-224-98-9.atgi.net ([66.224.98.9] helo=mhost.nwinfo.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1F8HsV-0002tp-00 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:07:04 +0100 Original-Received: from mail.nwinfo.net (mail.nwinfo.net [66.224.98.5]) by mhost.nwinfo.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1CCcFJ0024656 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:38:15 -0800 Original-Received: from nwinfo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nwinfo.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k1CEXZlb014261 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:33:35 -0800 Original-Received: from 66.243.248.177 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dchmelik) by mail.nwinfo.net with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:33:35 -0800 (PST) Original-To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on mail.nwinfo.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:61952 Archived-At: It would be nice if gnus was "easy" as gui; it seems hard as old things like tin, but I will not use gui except when writing more prose than than code. Is a lisp authors' book recommended, or is gnu doc enough? Gnus bewilders me (and non-coders in many more ways likely:) many help sections, little toc description many variables, little variable descriptiveness I am joking about this descriptiveness; it is overdone like xemacs (i should try emacs "menus.") Maybe it is easier for syadmins, or Sage helps (no one near me does.) but from the pov. of a not total hard computer scientist, even using gnus oneself is a problem (I relearned how to skip gnus' "reading..," but 1/2 the time it usually will not unsubscribe: after marking read & unsubscribing a couple times: it ignores you, or keeps doing it like read-only grouplist:) gnus vs gnus-unplugged (rarely unplugs) gnus-activate-level (i did not check: unrelated to vga) gnus-agent (overkill for users; 'J' does nothing) gnus-cacheable-groups (this & next 2 in docs supposedly prevent loading) gnus-check-new-newsgroups gnus-read-active-file gnus-secondary-select-methods (someone on #gnus implied secondaries do not immediately load.) gnus-use-cache (not near its' group list?) I take cs technical writing class next; this part is ignorant comments on help; now skip if you want. You have to know texinfo and emacs lisp. like: "the summary 'buffer::'" "... posting ..." "the article 'buffer'::" "... handling articles ..." "composing messages::" "... sending ..." I use the buffer, but others will also not know the difference in chapter descriptions: which go on like this for 50. Undefined is ok in doshelp; not texinfo. I offered to donate/pay for docs/help to solve this, but "make" also needs free software docs comparing Bsd & gnu make. I will not write much; as without discussion i struggle into summer break to even use glibc & make; unless i can help and someone else who prefers console & posix over 9 yr thinks so. But, i will ignore extra groups; gnus-mail will solve things if it is nice. I only studied lisp to write exercises, but may get the book. sincerely, David Chmelik (Darwin at the fsf)