From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78237 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: making sendmail call to msmtp asynchronous? Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:01:35 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <507hbgq0kg.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> References: <87k4ft9es7.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <8739m5juqt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <20110330093608.GA22794@apollo.emma.line.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301490163 21851 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2011 13:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:02:43 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26547@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Mar 30 15:02:39 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4v2k-0008Ds-V9 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:02:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4v1Z-00020M-47; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:01:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4v1W-000207-7o for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:01:22 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4v1U-0004eZ-4q for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:01:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4v1T-00081U-13 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:01:19 +0200 Original-Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so1382407bwz.17 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ABPi6CDitvqAyh2RK1sa0nqWRCohfKO21OQFpWdw33o=; b=iEGwyXPjG/PkkO9FjgxRYjiBGFY60kL492nwiZI6LGlYZgimq+4DSgwayuaGcNxI76 tdxy6IAslUzSQ2p9WYuF/X4P+YQcp+dHEvI0PmCdF/Sjr5mGJ8nsYeG/jcX7s7069T3i yefBMNlHrOtBp50ICrY/UJVmE67Yf70/y8X4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SYPFl2zpdIU2sJFWL2yofu04CJsLT2E5XNrne3c+oLIzL7shLwzgtsEw7twzDv+cFp 6MH3ErofYS9PrN5Z3YQyVgBbAbZhYHeR9e44FMAikz+YerBRVXEp8YsFeK83u0F139yI 3m2JtDwRKNuJuQ6jToXwlRtOAcWMfzCrWv+WE= Original-Received: by 10.204.156.22 with SMTP id u22mr1038020bkw.100.1301490073254; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (175.Red-217-126-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm50567bkm.18.2011.03.30.06.01.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4u5t-0002GK-7x for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:01:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20110330093608.GA22794@apollo.emma.line.org> (Matthias Andree's message of "Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:36:08 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78237 Archived-At: Matthias Andree writes: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:38:46AM +0200, Richard Riley wrote: >> Not without pain. Of course. Exim4 is up there with the worst when it >> comes to "simple tweaks" and enabling exim4 for multiple smarthosts >> proved impossible (for me) give or take despite some old configs out >> there in google land for exim1-3 but not 4. Why not use exim4s smtp send >> facility? Its a pain if you travel : here I sit on holiday and smtp >> ports for outgoing are blocked by the ISP and/or the hotel router. Gah! > > While I could offer you sample configs from my Cygwin installation, I've > found out the hard way (this time on FreeBSD) that Exim4 has a very > awkward lock-destination-sites behaviour that requires major manual > interventions to purge the retry/site database to get mails unstuck, > thus I decided I'm not going to install any more of that. > > While Postfix is a bit more of an effort to configure (enable > sender-based authentication, enable sender-based relay, enable smtp (not > smtpd)-side tls, enable smtp-side sasl, permit plaintext authentication > on secure tls channels, set up all the maps, I find it's more > transparent and has less magic special casing underneath that confuses > the heck out of myself. > Much as I dislike Exim4 docs, I have to stick up for it here. Using a single smarthost as I described is pretty straightforward. Clearing frozen mails caused by a destination refusing your mail because your IP is blacklisted or smtp ports are blocked is a google away. I did originally use the exim4 sendmail interpretation (having first had my business/home IP cleared out of spamhaus! It took about a day for all major email providers to get the updated spam lists and see my ip cleared) and that was great but of course my recent roaming adventures put paid to that and its back to gmail smtp smart hosts. --=20 =E2=98=98 http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blog= spot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net