* Message-ID
@ 1999-05-11 17:26 Shigeki Uno
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From: Shigeki Uno @ 1999-05-11 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello all.
I'm new to this Gnus Mailing List. I'm running XEmacs-21.2.13 on
NetBSD/mac68k 1.4_BETA and sometimes write e-mails with Gnus 5.6.45
on XEmacs-21.2.13.
I wrote a e-mail and sent it myself for checking whether everything goes
well or not the other day. I read recieved mail via another main mail
program called "mew" and found that Message-ID is wrong. Usually Message-ID
is made like this: 86btft51j2.fsf@provider's pop server name or domain name.
Right ? But as for e-mail which I sent, Message-ID is like this:
86btft51j2.fsf@lc520.shigenet.jp.
lc520 is hostname for my desktop machine and shigenet.jp is domainname for
may desktop machine. I connect to Internet via internet service provider
using ppp connection. ISP's domainname is "mediawars.ne.jp" and pop server's
name is "mail.mediawars.ne.jp".
What's wrong with that ? Any suggestions, please.
Thanks,
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Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp>
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-05-12 14:50 ` Message-ID Kai.Grossjohann
@ 1999-05-12 16:01 ` Shigeki Uno
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From: Shigeki Uno @ 1999-05-12 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE
Subject: Re: Message-ID
Date: 12 May 1999 16:50:37 +0200
> That's okay. A msg id must be unique. So, you put your local host
> name after the @ and something locally unique before the @. Maybe
> your ISP generates the msg id when using mew?
Yes.
Later,
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Shigeki Uno
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-05-12 14:42 ` Message-ID Stainless Steel Rat
@ 1999-05-12 15:55 ` Shigeki Uno
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From: Shigeki Uno @ 1999-05-12 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Message-ID
Date: 12 May 1999 10:42:59 -0400
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> * Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp> on Wed, 12 May 1999
> | Oops. I already setted up hostname and domainname for my desktop machine
> | though...
>
> Gnus uses the system-name function to retrieve the local host name. For an
> Internet node, this must be a fully-qualified domain name. If it is not,
> your system is not properly configured to be an Internet node, and you get
> the 'totally-fudged-out-message-id' as a direct result.
I got it. Thanks.
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Shigeki Uno
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-05-12 14:48 ` Message-ID Tibor Simko
@ 1999-05-12 14:59 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-05-12 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
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* Tibor Simko <tibor.simko@cern.ch> on Wed, 12 May 1999
| What about the following situation. I'm using PPP with dynamic IP.
| While offline I'm posting to a local queue which is flushed once the
| PPP connection is on.
Contact your ISP. Describe the situation to them. Ask them what to do
about it.
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* Re: Message-ID
[not found] ` <19990512225538Z.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
1999-05-12 14:31 ` Message-ID Shigeki Uno
1999-05-12 14:42 ` Message-ID Stainless Steel Rat
@ 1999-05-12 14:50 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-05-12 16:01 ` Message-ID Shigeki Uno
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From: Kai.Grossjohann @ 1999-05-12 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp> writes:
> I'm a user of Mew and when I send a mail in Mew, Message-ID is made
> like this:
>
> year month day time loginname @ ISP's domain name
>
> As for Gnus, Message-ID is as follows:
>
> something @ local hostname.local domainname
>
> # Both're quiet different :-(
That's okay. A msg id must be unique. So, you put your local host
name after the @ and something locally unique before the @. Maybe
your ISP generates the msg id when using mew?
kai
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-03-22 7:41 ` Message-ID Florian Weimer
@ 1999-05-12 14:48 ` Tibor Simko
1999-05-12 14:59 ` Message-ID Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Tibor Simko @ 1999-05-12 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "FW" == Florian Weimer <fw@cygnus.stuttgart.netsurf.de> writes:
FW> You don't need to have a DNS entry for the FQDN, but it's
FW> better if there's an MX record (for mail delivery). [...] Of
FW> course, the FQDN must be from a name space under your control,
FW> otherwise you can't guarantee the uniqness of the message IDs
FW> (which is required for news articles).
What about the following situation. I'm using PPP with dynamic IP.
While offline I'm posting to a local queue which is flushed once the
PPP connection is on.
* stage #1: At the moment of posting, FQDN is junk-name.isp.com
since PPP is off. No DNS entry exists for junk-name.isp.com. It
seems impossible to assure the uniqueness of Message-ID since
someone may very well choose the very same junk-name, post at the
very same time, using the very same uid, MUA, etc, etc.
* stage #2: At the moment of sending the message to ISP, FQDN is
dynamic-name-isp-gives-me.isp.com, which is a DNS-happy name.
Good, but it is too late to create Message-ID since the post has
already been queued before. Since Message-ID attribution already
happened, it does not seem to be a good idea to rewrite it with
the new hostname, for several reasons; e.g. someone could have
used it while I typed my message off-line so we may find the same
uniqueness problem as described above.
Should the Message-ID creation be left completely to the ISP level and
not dealt with locally at all, neither by MUA nor MTA?
Tibor
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* Re: Message-ID
[not found] ` <19990512225538Z.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
1999-05-12 14:31 ` Message-ID Shigeki Uno
@ 1999-05-12 14:42 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-05-12 15:55 ` Message-ID Shigeki Uno
1999-05-12 14:50 ` Message-ID Kai.Grossjohann
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-05-12 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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* Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp> on Wed, 12 May 1999
| Oops. I already setted up hostname and domainname for my desktop machine
| though...
Gnus uses the system-name function to retrieve the local host name. For an
Internet node, this must be a fully-qualified domain name. If it is not,
your system is not properly configured to be an Internet node, and you get
the 'totally-fudged-out-message-id' as a direct result.
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* Re: Message-ID
[not found] ` <19990512225538Z.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
@ 1999-05-12 14:31 ` Shigeki Uno
1999-05-12 14:42 ` Message-ID Stainless Steel Rat
1999-05-12 14:50 ` Message-ID Kai.Grossjohann
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From: Shigeki Uno @ 1999-05-12 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
From: Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: Message-ID
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:55:38 +0900
> Oops. I already setted up hostname and domainname for my desktop machine
> though... ^^^|^^^
|
+--->set
Sorry...
---
Shigeki Uno
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-05-12 13:03 ` Message-ID Stainless Steel Rat
@ 1999-05-12 13:55 ` Shigeki Uno
[not found] ` <19990512225538Z.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
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From: Shigeki Uno @ 1999-05-12 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Message-ID
Date: 12 May 1999 09:03:37 -0400
> * Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp> on Wed, 12 May 1999
> | I don't need to care about it, do I ?
>
> On a properly configured system, no.
>
> | How about <86btft51j2.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> ?
> | What does this mean ?
>
> It means your system is not properly configured. Your system does not know
> its own fully-qualified domain name.
Oops. I already setted up hostname and domainname for my desktop machine
though...
********************************addition*******************************
I'm a user of Mew and when I send a mail in Mew, Message-ID is made
like this:
year month day time loginname @ ISP's domain name
As for Gnus, Message-ID is as follows:
something @ local hostname.local domainname
# Both're quiet different :-(
************************************************************************
Later,
---
Shigeki Uno
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* Re: Message-ID
[not found] ` <19990512165228L.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
@ 1999-05-12 13:03 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-05-12 13:55 ` Message-ID Shigeki Uno
[not found] ` <19990512225538Z.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-05-12 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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* Shigeki Uno <shigeki@mediawars.ne.jp> on Wed, 12 May 1999
| I don't need to care about it, do I ?
On a properly configured system, no.
| How about <86btft51j2.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> ?
| What does this mean ?
It means your system is not properly configured. Your system does not know
its own fully-qualified domain name.
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-05-11 17:51 ` Message-ID Karl Kleinpaste
@ 1999-05-12 7:52 ` Shigeki Uno
[not found] ` <19990512165228L.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
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From: Shigeki Uno @ 1999-05-12 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
From: Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com>
Subject: Re: Message-ID
Date: 11 May 1999 13:51:57 -0400
> Gnus manufactures Message-IDs directly, to make sure they exist when
> needed. The Message-ID you describe is correct, because it properly
> denotes where the message originated. It is only the case that mail
> relays generate Message-ID when the origin client mailer has failed to
> provide it.
>
> If you really want to disable Gnus' generation of Message-ID, modify
> variable message-syntax-checks to disable Message-ID.
I don't need to care about it, do I ?
How about <86btft51j2.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> ?
What does this mean ?
Thanks,
---
Shigeki Uno
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* Re: Message-ID
[not found] <19990512022600G.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
@ 1999-05-11 17:51 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-05-12 7:52 ` Message-ID Shigeki Uno
[not found] ` <19990512165228L.Shigeki Uno@mediawars.ne.jp>
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From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 1999-05-11 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
Gnus manufactures Message-IDs directly, to make sure they exist when
needed. The Message-ID you describe is correct, because it properly
denotes where the message originated. It is only the case that mail
relays generate Message-ID when the origin client mailer has failed to
provide it.
If you really want to disable Gnus' generation of Message-ID, modify
variable message-syntax-checks to disable Message-ID.
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* Re: Message-ID
1999-03-22 5:07 Message-ID Harry Putnam
@ 1999-03-22 7:41 ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-12 14:48 ` Message-ID Tibor Simko
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From: Florian Weimer @ 1999-03-22 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> Every time a discussion about What the RFCs have to say about how mail
> headers look. I end up thoroughly confused.
>
> Its my understanding that the part of the message ID after the
> ampersand is supposed to be a real pingable address.
No, it's sufficient if it's a fully-qualified domain name. You don't
need to have a DNS entry for the FQDN, but it's better if there's
an MX record (for mail delivery). An A record (`pingable address')
is certainly not required. Of course, the FQDN must be from a name
space under your control, otherwise you can't guarantee the uniqness
of the message IDs (which is required for news articles).
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* Message-ID
@ 1999-03-22 5:07 Harry Putnam
1999-03-22 7:41 ` Message-ID Florian Weimer
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From: Harry Putnam @ 1999-03-22 5:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
Every time a discussion about What the RFCs have to say about how mail
headers look. I end up thoroughly confused.
Its my understanding that the part of the message ID after the
ampersand is supposed to be a real pingable address.
In my case it is being generated as the name of my home lan,
chub.local.net or one of the other <machines>.local.net. Thats how I
set up the network.
These are not pingable outside my local net since I'm a dialup
customer to a "real" ISP. I have set sendmail to masquerade my
POP and SMTP providers domain "newsguy.com" and to masquerade the
"envelope" . Still this private local domain is escaping onto the
internet in my message-ID.
I imagine Gnus can be made to generate message-IDs that say:
xxxxxx-fsf@newsguy.com or something similar, but not sure if that is
desireable either.
Or is it misconfiguration on the machine? If so what needs to be
changed?
--
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Running Redhat Linux-5.2
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saga of construction work in the trade of "Boilermaker"
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