From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80227 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: RE: smtp crap Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 23:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318054677 3881 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 06:17:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 06:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Miles Bader'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 08:17:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQEL-0004HJ-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:17:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53069 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQEK-0000js-Hl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:17:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQEH-0000jX-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:17:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQEG-0007xi-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:17:49 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:27523) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQEE-0007wg-R7; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:17:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet24.oracle.com (ucsinet24.oracle.com [156.151.31.67]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p986Hhe7007470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 06:17:45 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet24.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p986Bo2b015106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 06:11:51 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p986HaQG013398; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 01:17:36 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.18) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:17:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: AcyFcMhJCnhSrt3uQcOdT/VoUCuFtAAD1o2A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet24.oracle.com [156.151.31.67] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4E8FEB09.013D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.117 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144729 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80227 Archived-At: > > Why does emacs _keep_ asking me if I want to "Set up Emacs > > for sending SMTP mail"?! I kept answer "n" to this question > > I can't reproduce this. The first time I answer "n", it customizes > send-mail-function and saves that variable to the init file. This > should prevent the question from recurring. Could you try to > figure out what's causing that to fail? Even if it works flawlessly, this "feature" should _not_ be the default. In particular, it is ridiculous that a user trying to send a simple bug report with `emacs -Q' has to run through the extra hurdle of this inane, possibly confusing, and error-prone dialog ("yes"; edit the `From' line; "n"). I cannot believe this silliness has gone on this long already. Nowadays especially, users already have email configured on whatever devices they use. They don't need Emacs asking them to help it out by configuring email - ever. Emacs does not need that by default, and neither do its users. This is akin to a spam popup - just annoying and uninvited. If a user really wants or needs to configure Emacs for email, s?he can figure out how to do that - that's what the doc should be for. Let users go looking for how to do it before you start asking them whether they really want to do it. Why are we going backward, not forward? Why is it suddenly important for every user to be interrogated (even once!) about configuring email for Emacs? (How did we get by all these years without this annoyance?)