From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66681 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jake Colman Newsgroups: gmane.discuss,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Slow Access from Gnus Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:21:28 -0400 Organization: Principia Partners LLC Message-ID: <764pahfsdj.fsf@dev-d01.ppllc.com> References: <76abkahc6i.fsf@dev-d01.ppllc.com> <87r6dmobkp.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <76sky2fksc.fsf@dev-d01.ppllc.com> <877ifdhip3.fsf@dod.no> <76d4p5g22s.fsf@dev-d01.ppllc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207329718 13745 80.91.229.12 (4 Apr 2008 17:21:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no Original-X-From: gmane-discuss-bounces@hawk.netfonds.no Fri Apr 04 19:22:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gd-gmane-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from hawk.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.246]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JhpcR-00072q-Ms for gd-gmane-discuss@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:22:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hawk.netfonds.no) by hawk.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Jhpby-0004Lr-00; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:21:58 +0200 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by hawk.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Jhpbx-0004Lm-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:21:57 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Jhpbn-0007VC-4I for gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:21:47 +0000 Original-Received: from 69.7.239.34 ([69.7.239.34]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:21:47 +0000 Original-Received: from colman by 69.7.239.34 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:21:47 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.7.239.34 X-Attribution: Jake X-URL: http://www.principiapartners.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) XEmacs/21.4.17 (usg-unix-v, no MULE) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0E+WWxNySvM/A/Lmr817V2dy+3s= X-BeenThere: gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: gmane-discuss.hawk.netfonds.no List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: gmane-discuss-bounces@hawk.netfonds.no Errors-To: gmane-discuss-bounces@hawk.netfonds.no Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.discuss:11608 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:66681 Archived-At: >>>>> "RS" == Reiner Steib writes: RS> On Fri, Apr 04 2008, Jake Colman wrote: >>>>>>> "SB" == Steinar Bang writes: SB> Have you tried sniffing the group opening with eg. wireshark to SB> see if the delay is simply network related? >> >> When I enter a traditional nntp-based newsgroup (e.g., comp.emacs.help) >> I see some quick 'nntp read' messages and then I'm in. Depending on the >> number of messages that have been posted since the last time I entered >> the newsgroup, I will see more or less 'nntp read' messages. >> >> But when I entered gmane.discuss just now, with only two messages posted >> since I last checked it yesterday, I still saw a huge amount of 'nntp >> read' traffic. It's almost as if Gnus is downloading the entire group >> and doesn't know how much I've already seen. RS> Set nntp-record-commands to t and check if the commands in the RS> *nntp-log* buffer are significantly different e.g. for RS> gnu.emacs.help and gmane.emacs.help. Very, very odd. The commands are identical. For example: 20080404T131502.278 news.gmane.org GROUP gmane.emacs.gnus.general 20080404T131502.400 news.gmane.org XOVER 1-66679 20080404T131611.177 free.teranews.com GROUP comp.emacs 20080404T131611.296 free.teranews.com XOVER 1-69787 Yes, it appears that for every gmane group it actually rereads the entire "active file" (do I know what I'm talkig about?) or something. Even if I do a catch-up in my gmane group it rereads everything. If I enter comp.emacs twice in a row, the second is almost instantaneous. Entering the same gmane group twice will take the same amount of time each time as it does all those kilobytes of nntp reads. -- Jake Colman Director of Software Development Principia Partners LLC 101 West Elm Street Suite 620 Conshohocken, PA 19428 +1 (610) 755-9786 www.principiapartners.com