Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Steinar Bang]

Platform: rgnus 0.80, tm 7.100.3, emacs 19.34

Occasionally I get the message "Can't move article!", when I attempt
to move an article from one nnml group to another, using
	B m
in the summary buffer.  Other articles can be moved without problem
(on a set of process marked articles, some are moved, others are left
untouched).

What I do then, is to do a
	B c
and then delete (or whatever terminology larsi has for it) the
article, and let it expire.

But I'm kind of curious, as to what causes this, and how/if it can be
fixed.  Or am I the only one seeing this behaviour (I've been seeing
it for as long as I've had nnml folders, which may be all the way back
to the vanilla Gnus of 19.34 (version number escapes me, at the
moment)).


- Steinar

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "SB" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

SB> Or am I the only one seeing this behaviour (I've been seeing it for as
SB> long as I've had nnml folders, which may be all the way back to the
SB> vanilla Gnus of 19.34 (version number escapes me, at the moment)).

No, I've seen it too.  It's only recently that I started trying to move
articles at all and I just figured it had something to do with something
else that I didn't understand very well but haven't had time to
investigate.

 - J<

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:

>>>>> "SB" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:
SB> Or am I the only one seeing this behaviour (I've been seeing it for as
SB> long as I've had nnml folders, which may be all the way back to the
SB> vanilla Gnus of 19.34 (version number escapes me, at the moment)).

> No, I've seen it too.  It's only recently that I started trying to move
> articles at all and I just figured it had something to do with something
> else that I didn't understand very well but haven't had time to
> investigate.

OK! I won't report this as a bug, until someone tells me that this
isn't expected behaviour, when I've set resource so, or so...

Lars?


- Steinar

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Colin Rafferty]

Steinar Bang writes:
>>>>>> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:
>>>>>> "SB" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

SB> Or am I the only one seeing this behaviour (I've been seeing it for as
SB> long as I've had nnml folders, which may be all the way back to the
SB> vanilla Gnus of 19.34 (version number escapes me, at the moment)).

>> No, I've seen it too.  It's only recently that I started trying to move
>> articles at all and I just figured it had something to do with something
>> else that I didn't understand very well but haven't had time to
>> investigate.

> OK! I won't report this as a bug, until someone tells me that this
> isn't expected behaviour, when I've set resource so, or so...

I disagree; I think it is a bug.  I use `B m' all the time in my nnml
groups, and I never had this problem.

On the other hand, I only use it on articles that are not cross-posted.
Maybe this is your problem.

-- 
Colin

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:

CR> I disagree; I think it is a bug.  I use `B m' all the time in my nnml
CR> groups, and I never had this problem.

I'm pretty sure it's a bug, too.  I need to get a backtrace and send it to
Lars, but it hasn't happened for a while.

CR> On the other hand, I only use it on articles that are not cross-posted.
CR> Maybe this is your problem.

No, all of the errors have been with articles posted to single mail
groups.  (I don't really have crossposted mail since I use Procmail
splitting.)

 - J<

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Yair Friedman]

Whais is the value of  nnmail-keep-last-article? If it is t and the
article is last in the group, you can't move it.
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Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "YF" == Yair Friedman <yfriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il> writes:

YF> Whais is the value of nnmail-keep-last-article?

Doh!  Yep, that's it, even though since I have Procmail spooling to spool
files and not to the folders themselves, n-k-l-a isn't needed.

 - J<

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:

>>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:

CR> On the other hand, I only use it on articles that are not cross-posted.
CR> Maybe this is your problem.

> No, all of the errors have been with articles posted to single mail
> groups.  (I don't really have crossposted mail since I use Procmail
> splitting.)

Hm... so do I.  Delivery to mbox spool files, and fetched from there
and put into nnml groups.


- Steinar

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:

>>>>> "YF" == Yair Friedman <yfriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il> writes:
YF> Whais is the value of nnmail-keep-last-article?

> Doh!  Yep, that's it, even though since I have Procmail spooling to spool
> files and not to the folders themselves, n-k-l-a isn't needed.

Hm... I still have some procmail delivered MH folders (for reasons I
won't go into here).

I wonder if I can turn this off group-local, by setting it to nil in
the group parameters of the nnml groups in question.  Or maybe set it
to nil globally, and set it to t in the nnmh groups in question...?

I'll try the first alternative straight away!

Thanx for the tip, Yair!


- Steinar

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no>:

>>>>> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:
>>>>> "YF" == Yair Friedman <yfriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il> writes:
YF> Whais is the value of nnmail-keep-last-article?

>> Doh!  Yep, that's it, even though since I have Procmail spooling to spool
>> files and not to the folders themselves, n-k-l-a isn't needed.

> Hm... I still have some procmail delivered MH folders (for reasons I
> won't go into here).

> I wonder if I can turn this off group-local, by setting it to nil in
> the group parameters of the nnml groups in question.  Or maybe set it
> to nil globally, and set it to t in the nnmh groups in question...?

> I'll try the first alternative straight away!

And the first alternative worked just fine.  Just put a little line
into Group Paramaters, of the nnml group in question:
 (nnmail-keep-last-article nil)

I've also put 
 (nnmail-keep-last-article t)
in the nnmh folders, but I haven't tested by turning off the global
setting of "t".

Now: is there a FAQ maintainer in the audience? (ie. who took over
the GNUS FAQ from Stephen L. Baur? :-)  )


- Steinar

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Justin Sheehy]

>>>>> "Steinar" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

Steinar> Now: is there a FAQ maintainer in the audience? (ie. who took
Steinar> over the GNUS FAQ from Stephen L. Baur? :-) )

That would be me.

See question 4.10 in the FAQ, whose new home, by the way, is at
<URL:http://www.ccs.neu.edu/software/gnus/> 

-Justin

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Justin Sheehy <dworkin@ccs.neu.edu>:

>>>>> "Steinar" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:
Steinar> Now: is there a FAQ maintainer in the audience? (ie. who took
Steinar> over the GNUS FAQ from Stephen L. Baur? :-) )

> That would be me.

¡Mucho gusto!

> See question 4.10 in the FAQ, whose new home, by the way, is at
> <URL:http://www.ccs.neu.edu/software/gnus/>

Great! Maybe you should add that nnmail-keep-last-article can be set
specifically for single groups, in the Group Parameters of that group?
(ie. if the global setting is t, you can set it to nil for one
particular group, by putting 
	(nnmail-keep-last-article nil)
in group parameters
	G p
in the *Group* buffer.  (It may work the other way around as well, but
I haven't actually _verified_ that setting it to t in Group
Parameters, will make it leave the last article, when expiring))


- Steinar

Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders)

[Justin Sheehy]

>>>>> "Steinar" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

Steinar> Maybe you should add that nnmail-keep-last-article can
Steinar> be set specifically for single groups, in the Group
Steinar> Parameters of that group? 

True.

I have added your suggestion to the FAQ.

-Justin

Mailto URL bug (Was: Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders))

[Lars Balker Rasmussen]

Yair Friedman <yfriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il> writes:
> <URL:mailto:YFriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il>

Doesn't work in red 0.82, and neither does URL:-less mailto:foo@bar.com.

It seems that every time something wrt. URLs is fixed something else is
broken :-(
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			     Wind the frog!

Re: Mailto URL bug (Was: Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders))

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "LBR" == Lars Balker Rasmussen <gnort@daimi.aau.dk> writes:

LBR> It seems that every time something wrt. URLs is fixed something
LBR> else is broken :-(

That'd be because it has become common practice to use everything but
the standard format for URLs when specifying a URL.

No smiley.

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Re: Mailto URL bug (Was: Re: Can't move article! (in nnml folders))

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Lars Balker Rasmussen <gnort@daimi.aau.dk> writes:

> Yair Friedman <yfriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il> writes:
> > <URL:mailto:YFriedma@JohnBryce.Co.Il>
> 
> Doesn't work in red 0.82, and neither does URL:-less mailto:foo@bar.com.

Yup.  Fix in Red Gnus v0.83.

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