From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41658 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ami Fischman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: gnus (cvs) decides to make nntp groups "mail" groups Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:19:28 -0800 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <81heq08mq7.fsf@zion.bpnetworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177021 7366 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:10:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 12341 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 22:14:49 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:14:49 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16Mz53-0007y9-00; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:14:21 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:14:14 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16821 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:01 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 12312 invoked by alias); 5 Jan 2002 22:14:03 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 12307 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 22:14:03 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (HELO quimby2.netfonds.no) (195.204.10.66) by gnus.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:14:03 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby2.netfonds.no with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16Mz5k-0000wU-00 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:15:04 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 34 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.bpnetworks.com Original-X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1010268904 3357 207.199.66.114 (5 Jan 2002 22:15:04 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2002 22:15:04 GMT Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) Emacs/21.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ix3RISDGvQID/LWFaozD4nenQG4= Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41658 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41658 For some reason, gnus seems to decide to consider random foreign nntp groups as mail groups. The symptom that got me to debug this was that as of 2 days ago, nntp+news.gnus.org:gnus.ding kept coming up with >37000 unread articles. I know y'all are talkative, but it seemed a bit much even for this group :). So, I look in ~/.newsrc.eld, and I see that the third element in the gnus.ding group (the one following the level) is (1 . 2). Ah ha, say I to myself, the count got messed up somehow. So fine, I change that "2" to 38700 or so. Restart gnus, and lo, nothing's changed! Looking at .newsrc.eld again, I see that it's back at (1 . 2). Tried a few more times (to make sure I was really saving, exiting, restarting in the right order). A couple of days pass, and now it's the weekend so I have time to look into this further: somehow, this group made it into my ~/mail/active file, with a line saying: nntp+news.gnus.org:gnus.ding 1 1 y Deleting the line makes gnus honor my changes to .newsrc.eld. There were two other non-nnml groups in my ~/mail/active file: nntp+news.verio.net:gnu.emacs.help 37406 37406 y nntp+news.opera.no:opera.linux 7871 7871 y They are both groups I read, and I've had similar issues (where the group shows up completely unread) with both, but killing and resubscribing solved the problem before (I think). So, why is gnus putting these nntp groups in ~/mail/active? Once it does so, why is it honoring the information there? I am using oort 0.05 cvs as of this morning w/ gnu emacs 21.1. -- Ami Fischman usenet@fischman.org