Simon Josefsson writes: [...] > Oort Gnus introduced ".marks" files for nnml which move the > information stored in .newsrc.eld into a file within each group. Hmm.. The .marks files exist now. In retrospect, I suspect perhaps an aborted first attempt to run oort a few weeks ago created empty .marks file which then caused oort now to ignore the data in my .newsrc.eld. Perhaps oort should be told to examine .newsrc.eld vs .marks files at startup, and if the former contain "more" info (for some suitable value of "more"), the .marks files should be rewritten. perhaps the "more" in the previous sentence should just check whether .marks is empty and .newsrc.eld still has 5.9.0-style info. > But nntp groups doesn't grok it, so if you have this problem in both > nnml and nntp something else is causing it. Could you make a M-x > gnus-bug RET report so we can see what your config is? Do you have a Appended after .sig. Somewhat edited, but nothing that should throw you off (famous last words). > backup of your files, and can reproduce this behaviour? What does `G > E' say for a group which lost all its marks, in 5.9.0, and in Oort > after starting it the first time, and in Oort after trying to enter > the group? Don't have backups of orig files, but I still have one foreign NNTP group that refuses to remember that I've caught up with it (consistently shows >1000 msgs as unread). _that_ group's 'G E' says: ("nntp+news.opera.no:opera.linux" 4 ((1 . 7871)) ((seen (7871 . 8007) (8009 . 8019) (8021 . 8141) (8143 . 8216) (8218 . 8741) (8743 . 8748) (8750 . 8759) (8761 . 8831) (8833 . 8880)) (save 7871)) (nntp "news.opera.no") ((timestamp 15379 14058))) and is showing "1017" messages as unread in the *Group* buffer... Thanks for any insight, -- Ami Fischman usenet@fischman.org Oort Gnus v0.04 GNU Emacs 21.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2001-10-22 on zion 200 quimby.gnus.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.2.2 13-Dec-1999 ready (posting ok).