From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80303 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:26:46 +0200 Message-ID: <838vorxrbd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> <83fwizxwy1.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318361300 31876 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 19:28:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 21:28:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDhzr-000679-IA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:28:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37473 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDhzq-0007L8-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:28:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46733) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDhzn-0007Kz-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:28:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDhzk-0005NR-4l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:48972) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDhzj-0005N8-UU; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSX006001PXR500@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:26:46 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSX006BC20KR020@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:26:46 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144909 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80303 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, > drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:51:02 -0400 > > >> There's fundamentally one question with 3 possible answers: > >> > >> How do you want to send email? > >> 1- Use the system mailer (old default). > >> 2- Use your favorite non-Emacs MUA. > >> 3- Configure Emacs so it can send email on its own. > >> > >> If there's no /usr/sbin/sendmail, answer 1 is not available. > > > If (1) is sendmail, then its wording should be modified, because > > Windows users will think it refers to their MUA. > > I'd expect those Windows users won't have /usr/sbin/sendmail so the > option shouldn't be presented to them. Then (2) should be reworded to say something like Use the system's default email program ("non-Emacs" is too negative, and "MUA" is not necessarily a known acronym). > I don't expect any sequence: it's just one question. > The wording above is a starting point. It could be a x-popup-dialog, or > a completing-read, or read-char-choice. I'm not sure each of these can present the 2 or 3 choices and allow to select one of them. Maybe I'm missing something. Also, the choice shouldn't be a single character, but rather several ones and a RET -- to avoid inadvertently hitting the wrong key. > Is there some other way to do it? One of the above is okay IMO, as long as the text of each choice is clear.