From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80301 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:25:10 +0200 Message-ID: <83fwizxwy1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318354051 13846 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 17:27:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 19:27:27 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDg6t-00043s-75 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:27:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDg6s-0004j2-Mc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:27:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDg6n-0004ie-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDg6i-0007Tf-Qv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:64791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDg6i-0007TM-Ji; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:27:12 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSW00G00WC9H100@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:25:13 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSW00FH6WDZ4PH0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:25:13 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144901 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80301 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:42:05 -0400 > > There's fundamentally one question with 3 possible answers: > > How do you want to send email? > 1- Use the system mailer (old default). > 2- Use your favorite non-Emacs MUA. > 3- Configure Emacs so it can send email on its own. > > If there's no /usr/sbin/sendmail, answer 1 is not available. If (1) is sendmail, then its wording should be modified, because Windows users will think it refers to their MUA. Anyway, the question was not about the choices, which are quite clear. The question was about the UI: how will we ask these questions, in which sequence, and what wording? I think getting this right is crucial for avoiding the n+1st round of arguing about this issue. Were these aspect finalized yet (I didn't track this thread closely)?