From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80246 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:20:47 +0200 Message-ID: <83vcrzef9c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318083781 26537 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 14:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, miles@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 16:22:55 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCXni-0006dJ-ON for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:22:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34750 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCXnh-0006d3-Ug for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:22:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCXne-0006cy-PG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCXnb-0006Wn-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:22:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:49455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCXna-0006Wi-PN; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSR00H003T58800@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:20:50 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSR00HBH3UN2M50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:20:50 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144746 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80246 Archived-At: > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Drew Adams , cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, miles@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:47:55 +0200 > > I don't think `mailclient-send-it' is a very satisfactory solution for > sending email. It pops up a different mailer, and the user has to take > actions there, too, to actually send the mail. Any user of a Windows system will already be familiar with the system mailer. And even if she isn't, pressing the "Send" button doesn't require you to be Einstein ;-) Anyway, we had that value for a long time, and I don't remember any Windows users complaining. > mailclient makes Emacs into a second-rate mail client, which seems > unfortunate as a default. It is vastly better than a sophisticated, first-class mailer that the user doesn't know how to set up. And mind you, we won't be preventing users from reconfiguring to use a better mailer. It's just the default, it can be customized. If we want, we can provide a command for such a configuration, which will run the same code that is now in sendmail-query-once.