From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80309 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:12:05 +0200 Message-ID: <83y5wrw53e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> <20FFD44DE7DF42C78FDDA3EF06397A78@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318371142 31697 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 22:12:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, pj@irregularexpressions.net, larsi@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 00:12:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkYa-0001sN-CQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:12:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkYZ-0000ZC-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:12:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51760) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkYU-0000KP-UT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:12:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkYR-0003Fz-Gp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:42951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkYR-0003Fp-7p; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:12:07 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSX00100947Y100@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:12:05 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSX0013U9O3UD50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:12:05 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144924 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80309 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:21:41 +1100 > From: Tim Cross > Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > Stefan Monnier , > PJ Weisberg , larsi@gnus.org, > Eli Zaretskii , miles@gnu.org > > and please, DO NOT jump through all sorts of hoops with -Q to enable > 'special' configuration settings to exist - the whole idea of -Q is > that it is a base, well known and repeatable configuration. Once you > start making exceptions that whole premise is lost. Using -Q should > allow me to have exactly the same configuration as someone else who > also runs -Q - it should not be 'the same configuration except for > ....' If this means that users cannot submit bugs using emacs as their > MUA when running -Q it does not mean we need to hack at custom or make > exceptions - it means that email is not the right solution for > submitting bug messages when running under -Q. Sorry, no. That's unacceptable. It was discussed long ago and decided that the bug tracker will accept bug reports through email. Trying to revert that, and during pretest at that, is a no-starter.