Look at the articles marked "-R": I was reading them just some minutes ago, but selecting them didn't change %O from - to +. Look at the last two articles: when I entered the group they were marked as not downloaded, but reading them downloaded them and changed the "- " to "+R". I'd almost say that "." (new/unseen) marked articles get frobbed correctly. It's even true. But also there is the second line in the summary window: Ami's article got changed from "- " to "+R". It is all very confusing. Maybe it is useful to know that the internal data structures in Gnus are not corrupted: after reading all new downloaded articles in a group (changing "+ " to "+R" in the process), I can exit the group and then re-enter it and then the old downloaded articles change their marks from "- " to "+ "! So the old articles are shown okay when there are no new ones, but the presence of new ones screws things up for the old ones. In the previous paragraph, both new and old articles are unread and downloaded. New articles were downloaded in the same session (or perhaps by the last `g J s' invocation), whereas old articles were downloaded in a previous session. (I'm not sure if exit Emacs/start Emacs is what distinguishes old from new articles, or just another `g J s'.) -- A turnip curses Elvis