From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/83642 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus-group missing require for gnus-util ? Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: <84y58i2a7o.fsf@davestoy.home> References: <878v2cfw4b.fsf@bnikolic.co.uk> <84y58kst92.fsf@davestoy.home> <84haf7monx.fsf@davestoy.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375535358 14863 80.91.229.3 (3 Aug 2013 13:09:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:09:18 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M31898@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Aug 03 15:09:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V5baA-0002Fc-Tf for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:09:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1V5bZq-0007vt-JJ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 08:08:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1V5bZp-0007vg-Cf for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 08:08:57 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V5bZo-0000ZZ-BN for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 08:08:57 -0500 Original-Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.17]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1V5bZm-00013r-PU for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:08:54 +0200 Original-Received: from davestoy.home.verizon.net ([unknown] [98.118.119.159]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MQY00BFWHU4VO60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 08:08:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: W!bie|rYVd43O:2CkHTb*~s5}Yzx30X<@6Tq_bnP56Hp!xX4sVl4tgYRirjRcke\wfY!JJ9 i?]VIUJicJzq2\!3%7$5R%wi!R[.]Va97q In-reply-to: <84haf7monx.fsf@davestoy.home> (Dave Goldberg's message of "Fri, 02 Aug 2013 23:36:02 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:83642 Archived-At: >> david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) writes: >>> This sounds like the same thing I reported a couple weeks ago. If you >>> are on Fedora 19 (at least) the provided emacs has an old gnus-util >>> compiled in. >> Geez. That's not good. Anybody know why they'd do something like that? > I have now reported it as a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com. Bug ID is 991625. Still a bug (I believe anyway) but it's not what I thought. I wasn't aware that emacs -q didn't also prevent loading of site-start.el. When running emacs --no-site-file, gnus-util is not provided and Ma gnus works without need for any other workaround. I've updated the bug report to indicate that the issue is in the site-start.el that Fedora provides. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net