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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Gnus <ding@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: No "Edit" menu-item in "Gnus"
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:22:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <858xlp8wrs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMOEIKCKAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:12:34 -0700")

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>     >> There are several items on that menu that are useful when
>     >> reading mail and news.
>     >
>     > Which specific items do you have in mind?  I'd guess that at least the
>     > most important "Search" and "Go To" items have Gnus equivalents.
>
>     "Select All", "Copy", "Go To > Find Tag", "Beginning of buffer" ...
>     (If those are useless in Gnus, then they are useless in everywhere)
>     and:
>     "Text Properties > Describe Properties"
>
> In general, I'd say:
>
> 1. Edit shouldn't be removed from the menu-bar for the sole reason
> of saving menu-bar space and because the buffer might be
> unmodifiable.

Menus are for frequently used commands.  If in a particular situation
the entries of a menu are of rare use, and others are more important,
omitting the rarely used menu might make sense.

> If there is a problem with menu-bar space in some context, then some
> other solution should be adopted. One solution is to have a
> pull-down menu (e.g.  "More", "...", or a triangle arrow) that
> combines some other menus as submenus. Another solution is to let
> the menu-bar extend over multiple lines when necessary - that's the
> current default, and it's OK too.
>
> It's silly to assume a fixed frame width, in any case, and to base
> decisions of which menus to include on that width. I shrink-fit
> frames to fit their buffers, for example, so they have different
> widths. Other people always maximize their frames, or always use
> some fixed width that's different from the default.

The menu bar should fit on an 80-column text tty.  That is a hard
limit that can't be come by by changing font sizes or resizing
windows.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-15 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m3k65b4ug3.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk>
2006-08-14 19:25 ` Reiner Steib
2006-08-15 20:54   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-15 22:12     ` Drew Adams
2006-08-15 22:22       ` David Kastrup [this message]
2006-08-15 23:37         ` Drew Adams
2006-08-16  3:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-08-15 21:28   ` Jason Rumney
2006-08-16  6:24   ` Jan Djärv
2006-08-16  6:29     ` David Kastrup
2006-08-16  6:34       ` Jan Djärv
2006-08-16  7:16       ` Drew Adams
2006-08-16 19:27     ` Richard Stallman

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