From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63559 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: No "Edit" menu-item in "Gnus" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:22:15 +0200 Message-ID: <858xlp8wrs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1155680607 9998 80.91.229.2 (15 Aug 2006 22:23:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Gnus , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 16 00:23:24 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD7JV-00049F-IO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:23:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD7JU-0004cX-P5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GD7Iu-0004LK-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:22:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GD7It-0004KV-KA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:22:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD7It-0004KB-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:22:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GD7P1-0007mG-9k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GD7Iq-0000Da-BJ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:22:28 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0529D1C4D3AD; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:22:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:12:34 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58420 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:63559 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > >> There are several items on that menu that are useful when > >> reading mail and news. > > > > Which specific items do you have in mind? I'd guess that at least the > > most important "Search" and "Go To" items have Gnus equivalents. > > "Select All", "Copy", "Go To > Find Tag", "Beginning of buffer" ... > (If those are useless in Gnus, then they are useless in everywhere) > and: > "Text Properties > Describe Properties" > > In general, I'd say: > > 1. Edit shouldn't be removed from the menu-bar for the sole reason > of saving menu-bar space and because the buffer might be > unmodifiable. Menus are for frequently used commands. If in a particular situation the entries of a menu are of rare use, and others are more important, omitting the rarely used menu might make sense. > If there is a problem with menu-bar space in some context, then some > other solution should be adopted. One solution is to have a > pull-down menu (e.g. "More", "...", or a triangle arrow) that > combines some other menus as submenus. Another solution is to let > the menu-bar extend over multiple lines when necessary - that's the > current default, and it's OK too. > > It's silly to assume a fixed frame width, in any case, and to base > decisions of which menus to include on that width. I shrink-fit > frames to fit their buffers, for example, so they have different > widths. Other people always maximize their frames, or always use > some fixed width that's different from the default. The menu bar should fit on an 80-column text tty. That is a hard limit that can't be come by by changing font sizes or resizing windows. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum