More silliness

More silliness

[Jack Twilley]

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Here's a screenshot of sorts from my Gnus:

R  [  89: +Ronald Fischer      ] Gnus can not connect to server
R  [  38: +Reiner Steib        ] Re: mutt vs gnus
   [  33: +Sherilyn            ]
   [  17:  Piet van Oostrum    ] Re: correcting charset
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From: Giovanni Aliberti <vanni@allegro.mit.edu>
Subject: "X-Gnus-Article-Number header" ... can it be auto-removed ??
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:10:36 -0400
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


* SYMPTOM
  Certain article appear NON EXISTENT  from nnfolder.
  Yet, the are visible from nnimap.
   (yes, I have tried entering the NewsGroup with the right incantation)
- -----XEmacs: *Article*    (Article)----Top-------------------------------------
Giovanni Aliberti
            net: vanni@allegro.mit.edu
  creation-date: 2002 Oct 10
      timestamp: 2002 Oct 10
     newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
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Adding "gnu.emacs.gnus" to field "newsgroups"

Please note that Giovanni is not Reiner.  I clicked on Reiner's
message, and got Giovanni's.  Giovanni's doesn't even show up in the
summary.  This appears to be related to the whole deal with messages
marked with M's coming back after having been seen already.

Jack.
(wow has CVS Gnus gone wacky lately.)
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Re: More silliness

[Simon Josefsson]

Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> writes:

> Please note that Giovanni is not Reiner.  I clicked on Reiner's
> message, and got Giovanni's.  Giovanni's doesn't even show up in the
> summary.  This appears to be related to the whole deal with messages
> marked with M's coming back after having been seen already.

Do you use both asynchronous prefetching and the backlog or cache?  I
have seen bad interaction between them some time.

Re: More silliness

[Jack Twilley]

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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

Jack> Please note that Giovanni is not Reiner.  I clicked on Reiner's
Jack> message, and got Giovanni's.  Giovanni's doesn't even show up in
Jack> the summary.  This appears to be related to the whole deal with
Jack> messages marked with M's coming back after having been seen
Jack> already.

Simon> Do you use both asynchronous prefetching and the backlog or
Simon> cache?  I have seen bad interaction between them some time.

I use the cache, but gnus-asynchronous is set to nil.

Jack.
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Re: More silliness

[Simon Josefsson]

Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> writes:

>>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>
> Jack> Please note that Giovanni is not Reiner.  I clicked on Reiner's
> Jack> message, and got Giovanni's.  Giovanni's doesn't even show up in
> Jack> the summary.  This appears to be related to the whole deal with
> Jack> messages marked with M's coming back after having been seen
> Jack> already.
>
> Simon> Do you use both asynchronous prefetching and the backlog or
> Simon> cache?  I have seen bad interaction between them some time.
>
> I use the cache, but gnus-asynchronous is set to nil.

`gnus-keep-backlog'?  Is this in nntp groups only?

Re: More silliness

[Jack Twilley]

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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

[...]

Simon> `gnus-keep-backlog'?  Is this in nntp groups only?

This is set to "off" according to customize, with a note reading "this
option is unchanged from its standard setting.", so I don't think it's
the problem.

It's only been obvious in nntp -- haven't seen it elsewhere.

Jack.
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Re: More silliness

[Kai Großjohann]

[[ Summary and article buffers do not agree. ]]

Is the overview data on the server correct?  If you telnet to it and
then issue NNTP commands manually, do you see the the XOVER output
agrees with the article itself?

Hm.  It seems the messages you show in the summary buffer are not
cached, because `*' is not shown in the lines.  Right?

kai
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Re: More silliness

[Jack Twilley]

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>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

Kai> Is the overview data on the server correct?  If you telnet to it
Kai> and then issue NNTP commands manually, do you see the the XOVER
Kai> output agrees with the article itself?

Umm, I'm not sure exactly how to do this.  Is there a document online
that can walk me through it?

Kai> Hm.  It seems the messages you show in the summary buffer are not
Kai> cached, because `*' is not shown in the lines.  Right?

That is correct.

Jack.
(feeling kinda news-ignorant)
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Re: More silliness

[Kai Großjohann]

Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> writes:

>>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:
> 
> Kai> Is the overview data on the server correct?  If you telnet to it
> Kai> and then issue NNTP commands manually, do you see the the XOVER
> Kai> output agrees with the article itself?
> 
> Umm, I'm not sure exactly how to do this.  Is there a document online
> that can walk me through it?

Not sure.  After "telnet news-server 119" to connect to it, you can do
HELP to get an overview.  The idea is that you enter a group with
"GROUP foo.bar".  This tells you about the article numbers in that
group.  Then you can request overview data with "XOVER 1-100" (you
will need to adjust the numbers based on the ones returned group
GROUP).  I forget which command you need for showing an article, but
HELP will tell you.

kai
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Re: More silliness

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Oct 11 2002, Kai Großjohann wrote:

> Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@twilley.org> writes:

| R  [  38: +Reiner Steib        ] Re: mutt vs gnus
| [...]
| From: Giovanni Aliberti <vanni@allegro.mit.edu>
| Subject: "X-Gnus-Article-Number header" ... can it be auto-removed ??
| Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
| Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:10:36 -0400

FYI: My article "Re: mutt vs gnus" is about 3 months old (July, 10)
and Giovanni's is quite new. The two articles should have quite
different numbers.

> Not sure. After "telnet news-server 119" to connect to it, you can
> do HELP to get an overview. [...] I forget which command you need
> for showing an article, but HELP will tell you.

  article [MessageID|Number]
  body [MessageID|Number]
  head [MessageID|Number]

When using MessageID, don't forget the brackets: 

head <foo.fsf@some.fqdn>

Bye, Reiner.
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