From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12352 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2020 02:59:34 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Aug 2020 02:59:34 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k8amn-008ZJv-36; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:58:41 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k8ami-008ZI1-J8 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:58:36 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k8amf-00EDGf-K4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:58:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject: From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Az+NqBGLxPzqoHyIUkDwts2Dl5JTsjHa1hMbKSan/70=; b=bM4YY2n2NOoEc3VGNlkRn5/gXk i2T6si23yKJLAkP/iDlm9YWOf2jDb/CRSZrdUdb4ChoU4HGuw4sRfT2RbRVBWmYkYXEfUaBxG7xwz Xkxu+P1j1YU/b8zlfiH2pCWWZrLw6KjPCqJw3oO0EmSvgpx6cM74yPfFJLos1CGeNt2I=; Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214] helo=ciao.gmane.io) by quimby with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k8amQ-0006cq-H6 for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:58:28 +0200 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k8amO-0008F0-Sh for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:58:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ding@gnus.org From: Wayne Harris Subject: Re: on a buffer performance test on GNU EMACS 28 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:57:34 -0300 Message-ID: <86364ixbvl.fsf@protonmail.com> References: <861rk7xs1n.fsf@protonmail.com> <871rk6ijxu.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86eeo57wly.fsf@protonmail.com> <86tuwzz936.fsf@protonmail.com> <878sead2ih.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cancel-Lock: sha1:BcBfWyF1TioZqhft40deir98j4Y= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Wayne Harris writes: > >> Wayne Harris writes: >> > > [...] > >>> This was an accident. I apologize. I thought I had written to USENET's >>> gnu.emacs.help. Thanks for the kind reply! >> >> But, you see, I believe gnu.emacs.help mirrors some mail list and when I >> post to it, I think it stays in the newsgroup instead of going to the >> mail list. Why do I think that? I think someone told me that once, so >> I guess I didn't even quite follow the implicit advice there. Anyhow, I >> think my emacs.help community is actually very small. > > To my embarrassment, I don't know how it works, either. I use Gnus as a > newsreader, and access these emacs.* groups via nntp. But sometimes I > followup using "F", and sometimes I reply with "S W". I'm often not even > aware of which I've used. In the latter case, I must be sending email to > ding@gnus.org, but it all ends up looking the same to me. I think you're correct. The first will follow-up to the newsgroup via NNTP and the second will mail it to the mail list. >> I don't really know how it works. Must I subscribe myself to >> emacs.help, the mail list? Perhaps if I were a subscriber, then my >> messages would go to the mail list. Alright, I just did that. I'm >> subscribed. Let's see what happens. > > I never signed up for anything, and I'm sure I sometimes reply-by-mail > to help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org rather than following up to gmane.emacs.help, > and nothing has ever asked me to subscribe. Most likely the mail list accepts posts without a subscription and when people reply they probably have the habit of including the sender in the reply, so you get the answers even not being a subscriber. This way you can get help from experts without having to subscribe (as if you were one). (It's totally reasonable to wish to just consult an expert and not participate in all discussions.) Now I thought that when you post to NNTP server, the NNTP would try its best to forward the message to the mail list, but I think this doesn't quite happen --- or perhaps it does this only for subscribers. I'm a subscriber now, so let's see if this message will be posted to the mail list. > You message I'm following up on has these headers: > > Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general > To: ding@gnus.org > > So is that belt *and* suspenders? I think that's evidence that I posted to the newsgroup and it was forwarded to the whole mailing list. Hopefully someone that really knows will come to our rescue! Thanks!