From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27700 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2020 00:40:48 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Aug 2020 00:40:48 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k3qQz-005hdU-9h; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 19:40:33 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k3qQu-005hbX-Ut for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 19:40:28 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1k3qQs-0044NA-O4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 19:40:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References :Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lsH7a92xXijLHHzs/TCk8oNn2WWmN1ppd1sgpmBFhyc=; b=NRq1YXJVQL5ALjsKo40rvCjxfQ 3t9nJir+ua1kg/cJu/rPvY1u8UvJgoGA/VZQMOzmYzA2SsTRvcGv5KkQZtAv/9ihMTJ4CJdsBHjwB A4Ey0niXYqaBLsmqhyTQCxWMqJD9paMhPrHLUY3TdLMHPs3UNy8F77MPwgPqEQCt4684=; Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214] helo=ciao.gmane.io) by quimby with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k3qQb-0008ON-Ga for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 02:40:22 +0200 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k3qQa-0006kQ-4d for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 02:40:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ding@gnus.org From: Wayne Harris Subject: Re: on downloading too much data when there's no news Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 21:39:40 -0300 Message-ID: <868sermgqb.fsf@protonmail.com> References: <864kpfoo9u.fsf@protonmail.com> <878serd0a1.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <87h7tfh7n1.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cancel-Lock: sha1:cqk0P4iUJ9wedN5+kCsq0VuRoN4= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Adam Sjøgren writes: > Adam writes: > >> But now we are deeper into how Gnus works than what I know :-) > > It looks like you can configure Gnus to use GROUP instead of LIST > ACTIVE: > > ,----[ C-h v nntp-server-list-active-group RET ] > | nntp-server-list-active-group is a variable defined in ‘nntp.el’. > | Its value is nil > | > | Documentation: > | If nil, then always use GROUP instead of LIST ACTIVE. > | This is usually slower, but on misconfigured servers that don’t > | update their active files often, this can help. > | > | This is a Gnus server variable. See Info node ‘(gnus)Select Methods’. > `---- How can I build such a beautiful ASCII-sign like that? (Jealous!) > So maybe try something similar to: > > (nntp "fidonet" > (nntp-server-list-active-group nil) > (nntp-address "news.fidonet.fi")) > > in your secondary select methods. That improved my news reading so much. It's so much faster now. Thank you so much for this great show of problem-solving skills. Now, I'm looking at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#section-7.6.3 and it seems news.fidonet.net is not violating it. The server does not seem to advertise the READER capability. I'm not sure how to see all capabilities. I suppose news.fidonet.fi just advertises what it says when we connect and that's it. --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- 7.6.3. LIST ACTIVE This keyword MUST be supported by servers advertising the READER capability. LIST ACTIVE returns a list of valid newsgroups and associated information. If no wildmat is specified, the server MUST include every group that the client is permitted to select with the GROUP command (Section 6.1.1). --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > For me that helps, ngrep shows this when fetching news, subscribed to > fidonews: It helped amazingly! > > > asjo@tullinup:~$ sudo ngrep -q -Wbyline host news.fidonet.fi > interface: wlp82s0 (192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0) > filter: ( host news.fidonet.fi ) and ((ip || ip6) || (vlan && (ip || ip6))) > > T 2a06:4001:d06f:0:909a:cc99:d2b8:3fa6:45732 -> 2001:41d0:401:3100::1030:119 [AP] #1 > GROUP fidonews. > > > T 2001:41d0:401:3100::1030:119 -> 2a06:4001:d06f:0:909a:cc99:d2b8:3fa6:45732 [AP] #2 > 211 3290 1 3290 fidonews Group selected. Why are you using ngrep and not just telnet here?