From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13471 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jon Babcock Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Mule-begot problems Date: 06 Jan 1998 03:32:25 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <86afd9riyu.fsf@lotus.kanji.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152832 9445 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:27:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael@kanji.com Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04137 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:21:53 -0800 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (root@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00623 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:22:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAH00229; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:37:53 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:34:10 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA00213 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:34:02 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 7754 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 1998 10:33:50 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 7751 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 10:33:49 -0000 Original-Received: from lotus.kanji.com (root@206.230.42.4) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 10:33:49 -0000 Original-Received: by lotus.kanji.com id m0xpWJ7-002AnsC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:32:25 -0700 (MST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.1 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13471 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13471 Gentle dingnostica, What are the problems that Mule introduces to Emacs and Gnus? I just read in a private response to my last message that it breaks POP. Anything else? I want to mention the most serious Mule-inspired objections to Emacs 20.x and specifically to Gnus in an article I'm writing for LJ. Actually, the original article was written last March, long before the official Emacs-Mule merge, and now that LJ is finally getting around to schedule it for printing, I find that a number of those who belong to the Faith of Emacs are crying out ... in pain. Anybody know why? It doesn't use Unicode and the documentation stinks * ... I know about these. Jon Babcock jon@kanji.com * In April, 1995, I bought a book on Mule that turned out to be mostly on Emacs (in Japanese, ISBN4-7561-0300-6) and that helped slightly. And I looked through some of the early Japanese documentation, too, which allowed me to at least install and run it. Sort of. But it wasn't until Stallman wrote the info stuff that was to end up accompanying Emacs 20.1 that I could get the beginning of an overview. (Yeah, I know, I'm dumb or I guess so ...)