* new (?) version of the old nnml problem @ 2017-10-20 14:27 Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 14:42 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Something happened to my Gnus. Or the remote connection? Now when I do `gnus-group-get-new-news' Gnus hangs until I do C-g. The broken POP processes pile up at `list-processes'. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 14:27 new (?) version of the old nnml problem Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 14:42 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 14:51 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding I wrote: > Something happened to my Gnus. Or the > remote connection? > > Now when I do `gnus-group-get-new-news' Gnus > hangs until I do C-g. > > The broken POP processes pile up at > `list-processes'. Because NNTP works so good and fast, can't I get my mails thru that as well? :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 14:42 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 14:51 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 15:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 15:44 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding I wrote: >> Something happened to my Gnus. Or the remote >> connection? Now when I do >> `gnus-group-get-new-news' Gnus hangs until >> I do C-g. The broken POP processes pile up >> at `list-processes'. > > Because NNTP works so good and fast, can't > I get my mails thru that as well? :) nnml seems totally messed up :( I went into the server buffer and closed it, but when I go back to the group buffer to get NNTP, same thing! And then I go back to the server buffer and nnml is open once again? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 14:51 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 15:46 ` Emanuel Berg ` (2 more replies) 2017-10-20 15:44 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 3 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > I wrote: > >>> Something happened to my Gnus. Or the remote >>> connection? Now when I do >>> `gnus-group-get-new-news' Gnus hangs until >>> I do C-g. The broken POP processes pile up >>> at `list-processes'. >> >> Because NNTP works so good and fast, can't >> I get my mails thru that as well? :) > > nnml seems totally messed up :( > > I went into the server buffer and closed it, > but when I go back to the group buffer to get > NNTP, same thing! And then I go back to the > server buffer and nnml is open once again? I think if you hit "D" for "deny" the server will stay closed. But it's a POP mail source that's causing the problem, not the nnml store, right? I'm not sure that denying the server would prevent Gnus from trying to retrieve the mail source. Maybe confirm that POP access works from the command line first? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201818/checking-pop-mail-account-using-terminal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 15:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 15:46 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 15:48 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 15:57 ` Emanuel Berg 2 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > I think if you hit "D" for "deny" the server > will stay closed. > > But it's a POP mail source that's causing the > problem, not the nnml store, right? I'm not > sure that denying the server would prevent > Gnus from trying to retrieve the mail source. No, you are right, "D" is what I wanted. > Maybe confirm that POP access works from the > command line first? > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201818/checking-pop-mail-account-using-terminal OK, BRB. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 15:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 15:46 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:48 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 16:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 15:57 ` Emanuel Berg 2 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > I think if you hit "D" for "deny" the server > will stay closed. > > But it's a POP mail source that's causing the > problem, not the nnml store, right? I'm not > sure that denying the server would prevent > Gnus from trying to retrieve the mail source. No, you are right, "D" is what I wanted. But then I can't send this! Even tho it isn't mail? (error "Can't open server nnml:") in gnus-inews-do-gcc > Maybe confirm that POP access works from the > command line first? > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201818/checking-pop-mail-account-using-terminal OK, BRB. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 15:48 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 16:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 17:11 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> I think if you hit "D" for "deny" the server >> will stay closed. >> >> But it's a POP mail source that's causing the >> problem, not the nnml store, right? I'm not >> sure that denying the server would prevent >> Gnus from trying to retrieve the mail source. > > No, you are right, "D" is what I wanted. > But then I can't send this! Even tho it > isn't mail? > > (error "Can't open server nnml:") in gnus-inews-do-gcc It sends okay, the only error is that you have Gnus set up to archive your messages in the nnml server, so the archiving failed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 16:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 17:11 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 17:36 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> No, you are right, "D" is what I wanted. >> But then I can't send this! Even tho it >> isn't mail? (error "Can't open server nnml:") >> in gnus-inews-do-gcc > > It sends okay, the only error is that you > have Gnus set up to archive your messages in > the nnml server, so the archiving failed. You are right: (setq gnus-message-archive-group "nnml:mail.sent") Is that a bad idea? I suppose the optimal would be to have one -sent group for each group, i.e. gmane.emacs.gnus.general-sent Overkill for my purposes tho but I suppose it would resolve this particular protocol mismatch issue. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 17:11 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 17:36 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >>> No, you are right, "D" is what I wanted. >>> But then I can't send this! Even tho it >>> isn't mail? (error "Can't open server nnml:") >>> in gnus-inews-do-gcc >> >> It sends okay, the only error is that you >> have Gnus set up to archive your messages in >> the nnml server, so the archiving failed. > > You are right: > > (setq gnus-message-archive-group "nnml:mail.sent") > > Is that a bad idea? Not at all -- you've got to put them somewhere. And in fact an nnml server will always be available (barring some filesystem problems). It's only because you've explicitly shut it off that it's rejecting messages, and like I said that might not even solve your real problem, which is with the POP mail source, not the nnml store. > I suppose the optimal would be to have one > -sent group for each group, i.e. > gmane.emacs.gnus.general-sent But those sent messages still need to be stored locally, somehow -- you can't actually post your sent messages to gmane. IMAP is the only server where the archiving is also remote. nnml or nnmaildir are perfectly good choices for local storage. > Overkill for my purposes tho but I suppose it > would resolve this particular protocol > mismatch issue. No it wouldn't, see above. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 15:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 15:46 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 15:48 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:57 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 16:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Maybe confirm that POP access works from the > command line first? > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201818/checking-pop-mail-account-using-terminal Error according to socat, works with openssl. test-zoho () { local server=pop.zoho.com local port=995 socat - OPENSSL:${server}:${port} echo "socat done" openssl s_client -quiet -connect ${server}:${port} echo "openssl done" } $ test-zoho 2017/10/20 17:54:09 socat[29967] E SSL_connect(): error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed socat done depth=2 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Certification Services Division, OU = "(c) 2006 thawte, Inc. - For authorized use only", CN = thawte Primary Root CA verify return:1 depth=1 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Domain Validated SSL, CN = thawte DV SSL CA - G2 verify return:1 depth=0 CN = *.zoho.com verify return:1 +OK POP3 mx.zohomail.com v1.0 server ready <10427.1508514850321@mx.zohomail.com> user XYZ +OK pass ABC +OK quit +OK mx.zohomail.com Service closing transmission channel openssl done -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 15:57 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 16:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 17:12 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Maybe confirm that POP access works from the >> command line first? >> >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201818/checking-pop-mail-account-using-terminal > > Error according to socat, works with openssl. > > test-zoho () { > local server=pop.zoho.com > local port=995 > socat - OPENSSL:${server}:${port} > echo "socat done" > openssl s_client -quiet -connect ${server}:${port} > echo "openssl done" > } > > $ test-zoho > > 2017/10/20 17:54:09 socat[29967] E SSL_connect(): error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed > socat done > depth=2 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Certification Services Division, OU = "(c) 2006 thawte, Inc. - For authorized use only", CN = thawte Primary Root CA > verify return:1 > depth=1 C = US, O = "thawte, Inc.", OU = Domain Validated SSL, CN = thawte DV SSL CA - G2 > verify return:1 > depth=0 CN = *.zoho.com > verify return:1 > +OK POP3 mx.zohomail.com v1.0 server ready <10427.1508514850321@mx.zohomail.com> > user XYZ > +OK > pass ABC > +OK > quit > +OK mx.zohomail.com Service closing transmission channel > openssl done Unfortunately I don't know too much about tls, and will be of limited help here, but my guess is there's something slightly wrong with the pop.zoho.com certificate, something that openssl is letting slide, but socat and gnutls aren't happy about. I really don't know much about these issues, though, so hopefully someone else will jump in... Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 16:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 17:12 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 17:45 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > my guess is there's something slightly wrong > with the pop.zoho.com certificate, something > that openssl is letting slide, but socat and > gnutls aren't happy about. What exactly is openssl? Can I use that instead of gnutls? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 17:12 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 17:45 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-20 18:40 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> my guess is there's something slightly wrong >> with the pop.zoho.com certificate, something >> that openssl is letting slide, but socat and >> gnutls aren't happy about. > > What exactly is openssl? Can I use that instead > of gnutls? My understanding (and again, I know very little about these things) is that the two programs are roughly equivalent: they handle creating and checking TLS certificates, and creating and handling TLS-encrypted connections to remote servers. I actually was just assuming you are using gnutls, you can probably check the libgnutls-version. You can also try setting gnutls-log-level to 3 or 4 and fetching mail, and see if anything interesting pops up in *Messages*. The bad news is that I tried this: gnutls-cli --port 995 pop.zoho.com And it connected just fine. You might try that, and going through with the login procedure. Otherwise, I might be fresh out of helpful! Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 17:45 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 18:40 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 21:20 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > the two programs are roughly equivalent: they > handle creating and checking TLS > certificates, and creating and handling > TLS-encrypted connections to remote servers. OK, then how do I specify openssl should be used instead? Worth a shot... A search with `apropos-value' and "gnutls" reveals starttls-gnutls-program "gnutls-cli" tls-program ("gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h" "gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h --protocols ssl3" "openssl s_client -connect %h:%p -no_ssl2 -ign_eof") Neither set by me, but can be incorrect anyway, of course. Eheh. > I actually was just assuming you are using > gnutls, you can probably check the > libgnutls-version. If you mean ... then: $ gnutls-cli --version gnutls-cli 3.3.8 > You can also try setting gnutls-log-level to > 3 or 4 and fetching mail, and see if anything > interesting pops up in *Messages*. This does, over and over again: gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:547 gnutls.c: [3] (Emacs) retry: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. gnutls.c: [1] (Emacs) non-fatal error: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:1104 > The bad news is that I tried this: > > gnutls-cli --port 995 pop.zoho.com > > And it connected just fine. You might try > that, and going through with the > login procedure. Login procedure works, the rest seems fine (?). -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 18:40 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 21:20 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-21 8:53 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-23 5:51 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> the two programs are roughly equivalent: they >> handle creating and checking TLS >> certificates, and creating and handling >> TLS-encrypted connections to remote servers. > > OK, then how do I specify openssl should be > used instead? Worth a shot... A search with > `apropos-value' and "gnutls" reveals apropos-value is nice! I don't think I've ever used that. > starttls-gnutls-program > "gnutls-cli" > > tls-program > ("gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h" "gnutls-cli > --insecure -p %p %h --protocols ssl3" "openssl > s_client -connect %h:%p -no_ssl2 -ign_eof") Maybe change this variable so that only the "openssl" string is in there? [...] > If you mean ... then: > > $ gnutls-cli --version > gnutls-cli 3.3.8 I meant that if the variable libgnutls-version was non-nil, it probably meant you were using gnutls. But the variables you found above are more relevant. >> You can also try setting gnutls-log-level to >> 3 or 4 and fetching mail, and see if anything >> interesting pops up in *Messages*. > > This does, over and over again: > > gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:547 > > gnutls.c: [3] (Emacs) retry: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. > gnutls.c: [1] (Emacs) non-fatal error: Resource temporarily unavailable, try again. > gnutls.c: [3] ASSERT: gnutls_buffers.c:1104 > >> The bad news is that I tried this: >> >> gnutls-cli --port 995 pop.zoho.com >> >> And it connected just fine. You might try >> that, and going through with the >> login procedure. > > Login procedure works, the rest seems fine (?). Here's where I bow out! That's the extent of my meager knowledge. On the plus side, now you have a real error report to take to emacs.devel :) Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 21:20 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-21 8:53 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-23 5:51 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-21 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Here's where I bow out! That's the extent of > my meager knowledge. OK, thanks for everything, of course. I'll refer to this thread with all the data. Data..... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 21:20 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-21 8:53 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-23 5:51 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-23 15:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-23 5:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > On the plus side, now you have a real error > report to take to emacs.devel :) OK, did it. I don't remember how this works - do you get a number? The subject of the mail (bug report) is "24.4; Gnus TLS/SSL POP issue" - I guess it'll end up somewhere. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-23 5:51 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-23 15:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-23 18:31 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-23 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> On the plus side, now you have a real error >> report to take to emacs.devel :) > > OK, did it. I don't remember how this works - > do you get a number? The subject of the mail > (bug report) is "24.4; Gnus TLS/SSL POP issue" > - I guess it'll end up somewhere. Did you `report-emacs-bug'? You should have gotten a response from the bug tracker, if so, and I don't see any bugs with that subject in the tracker. Where did you send it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-23 15:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-23 18:31 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-23 19:17 ` Adam Sjøgren 2017-10-23 22:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-23 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Did you `report-emacs-bug'? You should have > gotten a response from the bug tracker, if > so, and I don't see any bugs with that > subject in the tracker. I got this. "YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE." OK, feels good to know :) BTW, how do you use the "tracker" you mention? Is there an Emacs interface to it? Or is there a gmane group for it? This message was created automatically by mail delivery system. THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. The original message was received at Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:34:05 -0700 from moasen@zoho.com [moasen@zoho.com] ----- The following addresses had fatal errors ----- [Status: Error, Address: <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, ResponseCode 421, Host not reachable.] Message will be retried for 4 more day(s) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Received:from raspberrypi.zoho.com (m77-218-246-4.cust.tele2.se [77.218.246.4]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1508737688660867.8851471880902; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID:<86a80ixvmy.fsf@zoho.com> Date:Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:48:05 +0200 From:Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> User-Agent:Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject:24.4; Gnus TLS/SSL POP issue Content-Type:text/plain -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-23 18:31 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-23 19:17 ` Adam Sjøgren 2017-10-25 15:36 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-23 22:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2017-10-23 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> Did you `report-emacs-bug'? You should have gotten a response from >> the bug tracker, if so, and I don't see any bugs with that subject in >> the tracker. > I got this. "YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND > YOUR MESSAGE." OK, feels good to know :) That is something the email server on raspberrypi.zoho.com is telling you, it seems. Apparently it is unable to talk to reach the mx of gnu.org: > errors ----- [Status: Error, Address: <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, > ResponseCode 421, Host not reachable.] Until the email is delivered, nothing will be created in the bug tracker. You can find the bug tracker here: • https://debbugs.gnu.org/ And there is an Emacs-based interface: • http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/debbugs.html (besides the usual email- and web-based interfaces). Best regards, Adam -- "Dessutom tror alla ändå att vi ska lägga ner Adam Sjøgren inför varje platta. Så det var lika bra att göra asjo@koldfront.dk slag i saken." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-23 19:17 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2017-10-25 15:36 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-25 19:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-25 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Adam Sjøgren wrote: >> I got this. "YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR >> MESSAGE." OK, feels good to know :) > > That is something the email server on > raspberrypi.zoho.com is telling you, it seems. > > Apparently it is unable to talk to reach the > mx of gnu.org: > >> errors ----- [Status: Error, Address: >> <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, ResponseCode >> 421, Host not reachable.] > > Until the email is delivered, nothing will be > created in the bug tracker. It sure won't :) No, I knew that wasn't something on the GNU side. > You can find the bug tracker here: > > • https://debbugs.gnu.org/ > > And there is an Emacs-based interface: > > • http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/debbugs.html OK, thanks, I got the newsgroup up and there seems to be lots of activity there. First I thought I hade discovered a new playground for my own activity but upon reading the subjects almost none hade even a slight bearing to what I myself use and know. Either the Emacs World is huge, or people, even Emacs people, have poor taste... :) About this particular bug, it is a strange thing it doesn't attract more attention because it seems to be such a vital flaw. It seems to be a central problem (nnml? or just TLS/SSL?) but because of the lack of interest, perhaps it just appears in combination with certain mail service providers (e.g., mine, zoho). -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-25 15:36 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-25 19:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-25 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-25 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: [...] > About this particular bug, it is a strange > thing it doesn't attract more attention because > it seems to be such a vital flaw. It seems to > be a central problem (nnml? or just TLS/SSL?) > but because of the lack of interest, perhaps it > just appears in combination with certain mail > service providers (e.g., mine, zoho). I read your bug report, and to be honest it's a bit hard to figure out what's going on. The maintainers need to be able to get straight to the point, and you've got the whole thread in there, with the key error message buried at the bottom! If I were you I might follow up with another post, just flagging up the bit about gnutls-log-level, and the "Resource temporarily unavailable" error. Just knowing what that actually means would be useful. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-25 19:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-25 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-25 21:22 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-25 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > If I were you I might follow up with another > post, just flagging up the bit about > gnutls-log-level, and the "Resource > temporarily unavailable" error. Just knowing > what that actually means would be useful. Perhaps one should check out the gnutls source. Does this error originate from the Emacs interface or from one of the bins of the "GNU TLS library"? I see it with aptitude on Debian, but have no recollection of ever installing it - maybe I didn't. I remember there was a method to find out, but not what it was. Anyway it doesn't matter as I'm pretty sure that's what it is. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-25 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-25 21:22 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-26 17:17 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-25 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> If I were you I might follow up with another >> post, just flagging up the bit about >> gnutls-log-level, and the "Resource >> temporarily unavailable" error. Just knowing >> what that actually means would be useful. > > Perhaps one should check out the gnutls source. > > Does this error originate from the Emacs > interface or from one of the bins of the "GNU > TLS library"? > > I see it with aptitude on Debian, but have no > recollection of ever installing it - maybe > I didn't. I remember there was a method to find > out, but not what it was. > > Anyway it doesn't matter as I'm pretty sure > that's what it is. Right, but someone still has to figure out if it's a bug in gnutls, or a bug in the way Emacs is using it, or some other thing. I just think you'll get a better reaction to the bug report if you pare it down to just that paragraph. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-25 21:22 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-26 17:17 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-26 22:55 ` Eric Abrahamsen ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-26 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Right, but someone still has to figure out if > it's a bug in gnutls, or a bug in the way > Emacs is using it, or some other thing. > I just think you'll get a better reaction to > the bug report if you pare it down to just > that paragraph. But why do people who are interested in these issues don't read gmane.emacs.gnus.general to begin with? No, I have several books that explain the SSL/TLS protocols/procedures, so I think that'll be step one, step two to see how it is implemented and where the error message appears in the source. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-26 17:17 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-26 22:55 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-11-06 15:49 ` Ted Zlatanov 2017-11-06 16:11 ` Robert Pluim 2 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-26 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Right, but someone still has to figure out if >> it's a bug in gnutls, or a bug in the way >> Emacs is using it, or some other thing. >> I just think you'll get a better reaction to >> the bug report if you pare it down to just >> that paragraph. > > But why do people who are interested in these > issues don't read gmane.emacs.gnus.general to > begin with? Because there are far too many things to fix in Emacs! They're trying to reduce the flood, not add to it. :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-26 17:17 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-26 22:55 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-11-06 15:49 ` Ted Zlatanov 2017-11-06 16:11 ` Robert Pluim 2 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2017-11-06 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 19:17:38 +0200 Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote: EB> But why do people who are interested in these EB> issues don't read gmane.emacs.gnus.general to EB> begin with? Some do. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-26 17:17 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-26 22:55 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-11-06 15:49 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2017-11-06 16:11 ` Robert Pluim 2017-11-06 16:20 ` Adam Sjøgren 2 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2017-11-06 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Right, but someone still has to figure out if >> it's a bug in gnutls, or a bug in the way >> Emacs is using it, or some other thing. >> I just think you'll get a better reaction to >> the bug report if you pare it down to just >> that paragraph. I responded to the bug report, but I've seen no response from Emanuel Robert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-11-06 16:11 ` Robert Pluim @ 2017-11-06 16:20 ` Adam Sjøgren 2017-11-06 16:32 ` Robert Pluim 2017-11-07 23:53 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2017-11-06 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Robert writes: > Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: >> Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>> Right, but someone still has to figure out if it's a bug in gnutls, >>> or a bug in the way Emacs is using it, or some other thing. I just >>> think you'll get a better reaction to the bug report if you pare it >>> down to just that paragraph. > I responded to the bug report, but I've seen no response from Emanuel It is a strange thing - why would someone file a bug report and not react to responses?! Best regards, Adam -- "Wandering stars Adam Sjøgren For whom it is reserved asjo@koldfront.dk The blackness of darkness, forever" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-11-06 16:20 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2017-11-06 16:32 ` Robert Pluim 2017-11-07 23:53 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Robert Pluim @ 2017-11-06 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adam Sjøgren; +Cc: ding asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > Robert writes: > >> Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > >>> Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >>>> Right, but someone still has to figure out if it's a bug in gnutls, >>>> or a bug in the way Emacs is using it, or some other thing. I just >>>> think you'll get a better reaction to the bug report if you pare it >>>> down to just that paragraph. > >> I responded to the bug report, but I've seen no response from Emanuel > > It is a strange thing - why would someone file a bug report and not > react to responses?! He does have Mail-Copies-To: never set in his headers, so maybe he hasn't checked the debbugs list Robert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-11-06 16:20 ` Adam Sjøgren 2017-11-06 16:32 ` Robert Pluim @ 2017-11-07 23:53 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-11-08 0:28 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-11-07 23:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Adam Sjøgren wrote: > It is a strange thing - why would someone file > a bug report and not react to responses?! What do you mean? Here is my reply loud and clear on gmane.emacs.bugs . From here, you seem to be but a few circuits from total system disintegration... Robert Pluim wrote: } You're using the builtin GNUTLS support. } There have been a number of fixes to it over } the years, so it could be worth trying } emacs-26. If that's not possible, the } alternative is to switch to using the } external gnutls-cli command instead. } Something like } } (defun gnutls-available-p () nil) OK, I'll try both suggestions and get back to you on gmane.emacs.gnus.general ! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-11-07 23:53 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2017-11-08 0:28 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-11-08 0:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding This (defun gnutls-available-p () nil) doesn't seem to have solved the problem Opening TLS connection to `pop.zoho.com'... Opening TLS connection with `gnutls-cli --insecure -p 995 pop.zoho.com'...done Opening TLS connection to `pop.zoho.com'...done Mail source (pop :user ABC :password XYZ :server pop.zoho.com :port 995 :stream ssl) failed: (error USER ABC not valid) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-23 18:31 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-23 19:17 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2017-10-23 22:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2017-10-24 18:45 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-23 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Did you `report-emacs-bug'? You should have >> gotten a response from the bug tracker, if >> so, and I don't see any bugs with that >> subject in the tracker. > > I got this. "YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND > YOUR MESSAGE." OK, feels good to know :) > > BTW, how do you use the "tracker" you mention? > Is there an Emacs interface to it? > > Or is there a gmane group for it? To add to what Adam said, there is also a gmane group: gmane.emacs.bugs. It's pretty high-traffic, though. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-23 22:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-24 18:45 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-24 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > To add to what Adam said, there is also > a gmane group: gmane.emacs.bugs. It's pretty > high-traffic, though. ... is that good or bad? :S Anyway got the confirmation mail - bug#28971, subject "24.4; Gnus TLS/SSL POP issue". -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: new (?) version of the old nnml problem 2017-10-20 14:51 ` Emanuel Berg 2017-10-20 15:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-10-20 15:44 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2017-10-20 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding I'm gonna use this thread to dump everything related to this issue. At least then I have it all in one place. I've had the issue for several years off and on, on several computers even with slightly different OSs (Debian and Raspbian) so it is starting to get embarrassing. Mail source (pop :user XYZ :password ABC :server pop.zoho.com :port 995 :stream ssl) failed: (error USER XYZ not valid) and gnutls.c: [0] (Emacs) fatal error: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
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