From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67583 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gnus should accept UTF8 even if UTF-8 is standard Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:23:58 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86d4i1ft75.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87iqruvs19.fsf@jidanni.org> <86od1mj3z2.fsf@lifelogs.com> <86od1lg3xq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d4i1iqpq.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <86k5c9fzm9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878wsph5xr.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224105900 4252 80.91.229.12 (15 Oct 2008 21:25:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M16035@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Oct 15 23:26:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KqDsO-00056Z-Kg for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:25:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KqDqp-0000t9-8I; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:24:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KqDqo-0000sw-3Z for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:24:14 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KqDqj-0004jD-Lf for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:24:14 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1KqDqq-0004fG-00 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:24:16 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KqDqf-0003Y5-L1 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:24:06 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:24:05 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:24:05 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yDqOld3x5gn5lSHr5bz8mwY1Jmw= X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67583 gmane.emacs.devel:104536 Archived-At: On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:03:28 +0200 Reiner Steib wrote: RS> On Wed, Oct 15 2008, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> Reiner Steib wrote: >>>>>> (define-coding-system-alias 'utf8 'utf-8) >>>>>> (define-coding-system-alias 'UTF8 'utf-8) KH> I agree that defining those aliases causes no problem. RS> BTW, is the uppercase variant useful? AFAICS, it is the only RS> uppercase variant... RS> -*- mode: grep; default-directory: ".../emacs/lisp/international/" -*- RS> Grep started at Wed Oct 15 23:58:55 RS> grep -nH -e define-coding-system-alias.*[A-Z] *.el RS> mule-conf.el:1279:(define-coding-system-alias 'UTF8 'utf-8) RS> Grep finished (matches found) at Wed Oct 15 23:58:55 It's a common usage, e.g. in locale names. 'UTF-8 is also common and should be added. RS> If it becomes a more frequent mistake, we might add (utf8 . utf-8) to RS> the default value `mm-charset-synonym-alist'. I hesitate to pollute RS> `mm-charset-synonym-alist' by adding entries for each and every pilot RS> error. >> >> It's not a pilot error at this point, RS> How do you know? Because we're talking about Emacs-wide coding system aliases, not the specific pilot error jidanni is reporting, or the Evolution bug we discussed back in May. The goal is to give the user sensible conveniences as long as we don't compromise the software, and I think this is a good solution. If you disagree this is reasonable, I'll defer to you and the Emacs maintainers as I don't feel too strongly about it. >> the mangled names have been in common usage for years... RS> Not in the context of mail/news. See the little statistics in the RS> above mentioned thread. Again, we're talking Emacs-wide now. I agree that for mail and news utf-8 is reasonable. Ted