From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/19033 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dale Hagglund Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: No more buttons by default? Date: 21 Nov 1998 00:12:40 -0800 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <86d86hwjk7.fsf@ponoka.battleriver.com> References: <199811192101.QAA02436@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035157457 9476 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 23:44:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from karazm.math.uh.edu (karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.1]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04979 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:14:47 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAB15511; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:14:27 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:14:18 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10667 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:14:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04966 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:14:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from best.com (dynamic51.pm01.pleasanton.best.com [204.156.131.51]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.out) with ESMTP id AAA19665 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:12:44 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: (from rdh@localhost) by best.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20654; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:12:42 -0800 (PST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "21 Nov 1998 05:29:52 +0100" Original-Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070051 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.51) Emacs/20.3 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:19033 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:19033 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Steinar Bang writes: > > The idea has been that the receipient would see the text to read > > inline in the message, but would be provided with buttons to make it > > easy for him to save it to a file. > Right. But that's not what the RFCs say that the reader should do. I'm curious where you find this in the RFCs? I've been browsing RFCs 2045 and 2046, and I haven't noticed anything that obviously implies this, at least to me. > Anyway -- even though I don't like the buttons much, there may be an > argument that it should be easy to handle MIME parts independently. In general, I don't buy the claim of equivalence between HTML and MIME. In HTML, the internal structure is hidden by the displayer because the document is in some sense a unified whole. To me, MIME is more of a transport mechanism for carrying multiple loosely-coupled pieces. The structure is important, and should be displayed to the user. > However, the user must (I think) be given some visual clue as to where > each parts starts (and stops). The buttons are too heavy, but can > anyone come up with some other clue that would be less intrusive? I agree that the current buttons takes up a lot of space, and aren't the prettiest things imaginable. But, I'd rather have buttons as they are than no demarcation of the various body parts at all. The only alternative I can think of is some sort of alternating background color between for alternating background parts, ie, white, light grey, white, light grey. However, with this, I loose the ability to easily identify the part number for commands like `2 b' from the summary buffer. Dale.