From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68478 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.tramp Subject: Re: file storage in IMAP (eventually for Tramp) working and needs testing Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:51:55 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86fxfzbkic.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <86k5n1443g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <86k55otuwi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <86vdp7qk67.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bpqx1vfv.fsf@gmx.de> <86k55cb4ye.fsf@jumptrading.com> <87ocuoozpr.fsf@broken.deisui.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240490924 16316 80.91.229.12 (23 Apr 2009 12:48:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tramp-devel@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M16913@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Apr 23 14:50:03 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LwyNJ-0006oz-4P for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:49:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LwyL4-0008SY-3b; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:47:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LwyL1-0008S9-HJ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:47:35 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LwyKw-0005jj-2r for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:47:35 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1LwyLM-0000Z1-00 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:47:56 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LwyKq-0001nG-GJ for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:47:24 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:47:24 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:47:24 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/vRXfC7v2hUD0BbT6quoLC9Trd0= X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68478 gmane.emacs.tramp:6810 Archived-At: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:45:04 +0900 Daiki Ueno wrote: >>>>>> In <86k55cb4ye.fsf@jumptrading.com> >>>>>> Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:03:16 +0200 Michael Albinus wrote: >> - save /imap:blockstar.com:/INBOX.test/new via tramp-imap-put-file (uses PGG) >> - read /imap:blockstar.com:/INBOX.test/new via tramp-imap-get-file (uses PGG) DU> I think this (implicit encryption) is a misdesgined feature which should DU> be removed. Why don't you leave the job to auto-encryption-mode so that DU> a user can choose whether to encrypt a file by adding ".gpg"? Unlike filesystems, IMAP servers are a semi-public space, in the sense that the vast majority of the users can't expect security or privacy beyond what the server administrators and owners are willing to grant. Very, very few users actually own and control their IMAP servers. Thus, encrypting by default is IMHO the best option and the only one I provided in this initial version. I disagree the user should choose whether to encrypt, especially by the burdensome mechanism of changing the file extension. The majority of users will use the default setting, whatever it is. I believe the default setting of tramp-imap.el should be to encrypt. If you or anyone else likes, feel free to provide a patch that will support a nil passphrase to mean no encryption should be performed. The usual Emacs-style settings for the passphrase (alist and function in addition to a string) which I plan to add eventually can return nil too for the same effect. I can't accept that as the tramp-imap default, though, and I don't have the time currently to write that support myself. Thanks Ted