Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Frank Schmitt]

Hello

Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.

I don't know if this change was intentional, but if it was I strongly
disagree with it and vote for reverting it.

MFG Frank

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Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Johan Bockgård]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
> groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
> when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
> appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
> nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.

Subscribe to a new group from the primary server. The group now has
the long name in the summary buffer. 

Try G e C-c C-c or G E C-c C-c on the group. Spooky...

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Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Johan Bockgård]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
> groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
> when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
> appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
> nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.

Subscribe to a new group from the primary server. The group now has
the long name in the summary buffer. 

Try G e C-c or G E C-c on the group. Spooky...

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The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the
day they start making vacuum cleaners. -- Ernst Jan Plugge

Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Johan Bockgård]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
> groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
> when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
> appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
> nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.

Subscribe to a new group from the primary server. The group now has
the long name in the summary buffer. 

Try G e C-c C-c or G E C-c C-c on the group. Spooky...

-- 
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the
day they start making vacuum cleaners. -- Ernst Jan Plugge

Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Johan Bockgård]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
> groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
> when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
> appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
> nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.

Subscribe to a new group from the primary server. The group now has
the long name in the summary buffer. 

Try G e C-c C-c or G E C-c C-c on the group. Spooky...

-- 
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the
day they start making vacuum cleaners. -- Ernst Jan Plugge

Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Simon Josefsson]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Hello
>
> Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
> groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
> when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
> appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
> nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.
>
> I don't know if this change was intentional, but if it was I strongly
> disagree with it and vote for reverting it.

I can't reproduce this, are you sure you don't have a server
nntp:127.0.0.1 defined and subscribed some group on it?

Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Harry Putnam]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> I can't reproduce this, are you sure you don't have a server
> nntp:127.0.0.1 defined and subscribed some group on it?

It kind of looks like what one might see if running thru a ssh tunnel.

Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Frank Schmitt]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:
>
>> Some when between Oort 5.19 and Gnus 5.10 the naming convention for
>> groups from the primary select-method seems to have changed. Before
>> when I subscribed to foo.bar.baz on my primary server, the group
>> appeared as foo.bar.baz in groups buffer, now it's
>> nntp+127.0.0.1:foo.bar.baz.
>
> I can't reproduce this, are you sure you don't have a server
> nntp:127.0.0.1 defined and subscribed some group on it?

I'm absolutely sure. I hit F to find new groups on my local news server
and got the message "one group arrived", then I tried to U name.of.group
but Gnus told me "no match". Then I entered server buffer, hit <ret> with
point over the server (my only nntp server, no ssh connection) and all
old groups were shown with the correct names, only the new one had the
nntp+127.0.0.1: prefix.

The same error was reported in the German gnus newsgroup
de.comm.software.gnus, too. The guy there used AFAIK also a news server
running on localhost, perhaps this is an issue. An other possible reason
might be, that I fetch news from the same server (localhost) I fetch my
mail via pop3.

Here are the relevant parts of my .gnus:

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "127.0.0.1"))
(require 'nnir)
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnml "" (nnir-search-engine swish++)))
;;Woher kommen die Mails?
(setq mail-sources '((pop :server "localhost"
                          :user "******"
                          :password "******")))
(setq gnus-group-line-format "%P%M%S[%5t]%5y : %(%g%)\n")

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Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Simon Josefsson]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> I'm absolutely sure. I hit F to find new groups on my local news server
> and got the message "one group arrived", then I tried to U name.of.group
> but Gnus told me "no match". Then I entered server buffer, hit <ret> with
> point over the server (my only nntp server, no ssh connection) and all
> old groups were shown with the correct names, only the new one had the
> nntp+127.0.0.1: prefix.

There was a change to gnus-group-prefixed-name recently, maybe you can
try to revert that patch, or try the patch below.

Index: gnus.el
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp/gnus.el,v
retrieving revision 6.181
diff -u -p -u -w -r6.181 gnus.el
--- gnus.el	3 May 2003 16:47:18 -0000	6.181
+++ gnus.el	5 May 2003 15:04:48 -0000
@@ -3188,6 +3188,7 @@ server is native)."
     (setq method (gnus-server-to-method method)))
   (if (or (not method)
 	  (and (not full) (gnus-server-equal method "native"))
+	  (and (not full) (gnus-server-equal method gnus-select-method))
 	  ;;;!!! This might not be right.  We'll see...
 	  ;(string-match ":" group)
 	  )

Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Frank Schmitt]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> There was a change to gnus-group-prefixed-name recently, maybe you can
> try to revert that patch, or try the patch below.

The patch didn't help, I'll try to test if it works with the old
gnus-group-prefixed-name later.

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Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Frank Schmitt]

Frank Schmitt <ich@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>
>> There was a change to gnus-group-prefixed-name recently, maybe you can
>> try to revert that patch, or try the patch below.
>
> The patch didn't help, I'll try to test if it works with the old
> gnus-group-prefixed-name later.

Well, I was a bit quick with saying the patch doesn't help. After
applying the patch, I can indeed subscribe to the group by saying U
name.of.group in summary buffer.

However my normal method, entering server buffer, entering the server
there (point over server, <ret>) and then subscribing to the group by
saying `u' still doesn't work, I get the described prefix.

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Re: Server name included in name of groups from gnus-select-method

[Frank Haun]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> The same error was reported in the German gnus newsgroup
> de.comm.software.gnus, too. The guy there

Ah, here I am.

> used AFAIK also a news server running on localhost, perhaps this is an
> issue.

I've the same problems with leafnode+ on a BSD box and with Hamster on
a Windows Box.

Server Buffer:
{nntp:localhost} (opened)

Group Buffer with subscribed group from Server Buffer:
nntp+localhost:de.comp.os.unix.shell

G E says:
("nntp+localhost:de.comp.os.unix.shell" 3
 (1 190)
 ((seen
   (2 . 240))))

Another problem is, that those groups are not updated when starting
Gnus, nor when setting `gnus-activate-foreign-newsgroups' to `3'.

`gnus-group-check-bogus-groups' erases nntp groups with a server prefix
and kills all the information in `~/newsrc.eld'.

Frank