On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:28:32 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: Lars> To see whether the machinery is working properly (and because I found Lars> a sack of (ding) t-shirts while rummaging through the mail-order Lars> stuff), I think doing a pre-sale before Oort would be nice. Ok, I have managed to order (easy) and pay a shirt (not so easy). I had the problem before, but having an US and an international account is not allowed, and if you want to use the same credit card not even possible. (Generally you cannot have two accounts with overlapping payment methods:() There are also problems with international addresses on US accounts, and with US credit cards and international addresses. Looks overall pretty messy to me, but you should have the money now:(After a few rounds of deleting old and creating new accounts:) In that case the money really arrives I'd say it worked. But it took quite a few minutes... What again where the alternatives, and why don't you use them? I.e. what is the problem with simply accepting credit cards? Greetings, Jochen -- Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit http://www.Jochen-Kuepper.de Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll