From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67581 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus should accept UTF8 even if UTF-8 is standard Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:05:18 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86k5c9fzm9.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87iqruvs19.fsf@jidanni.org> <86od1mj3z2.fsf@lifelogs.com> <86od1lg3xq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d4i1iqpq.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224097637 4311 80.91.229.12 (15 Oct 2008 19:07:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 15 21:08:16 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KqBhq-0007pI-Nx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:06:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33844 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KqBgm-0003mS-5B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqBgi-0003mD-Az for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqBge-0003le-3E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34261 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KqBgd-0003lb-Qk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:37350 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KqBgd-0006Ld-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KqBgW-00067D-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:05:29 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:05:28 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:05:28 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Br1E5jXeyNt6PiYemiR2eUrxMXk= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104533 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67581 Archived-At: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:49:21 +0200 Reiner Steib wrote: RS> On Wed, Oct 15 2008, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:39:41 +0900 Kenichi Handa wrote: KH> Ted Zlatanov writes: >>>> (define-coding-system-alias 'utf8 'utf-8) >>>> (define-coding-system-alias 'UTF8 'utf-8) >> KH> I agree that defining those aliases causes no problem. RS> [ See for a RS> previous discussion on this topic. ] RS> I seem to recall that (define-coding-system-alias 'utf8 'utf-8) might RS> trigger Gnus into sending articles with "Content-type: text/plain; RS> charset=utf8" which would be plain wrong [1][2]. But I'm not sure. If it does we can fix it (maybe it can prefer the original coding system before trying its aliases). The general usage, regardless of Gnus and the RFCs, is that these are valid synonyms for utf-8, so I think this is the right thing to do. RS> For the problem at hand (displaying incoming articles), the user can RS> type `1 g utf-8 RET' (
different encoding> ) or add (utf8 . utf-8) to RS> `mm-charset-synonym-alist'. RS> If it becomes a more frequent mistake, we might add (utf8 . utf-8) to RS> the default value `mm-charset-synonym-alist'. I hesitate to pollute RS> `mm-charset-synonym-alist' by adding entries for each and every pilot RS> error. It's not a pilot error at this point, the mangled names have been in common usage for years... Ted