From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67359 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Cannot write to write-only IMAP mailbox Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:59:33 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86k5dix2h6.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87zlmfhapb.fsf@nokile.rath.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221138068 11355 80.91.229.12 (11 Sep 2008 13:01:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:01:08 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M15810=ding+2Daccount=gmane.org@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Sep 11 15:02:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kdln2-0001Yi-OF for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:00:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kdlm2-0006fT-B3 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:59:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kdlm1-0006fO-GZ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:59:49 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kdlly-0005AC-Im for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:59:49 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Kdlm1-0001eW-00 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:59:49 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Kdllu-0002r2-Af for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:59:42 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:59:42 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:59:42 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Pu3McGZS2kzDugBE0aW7tjeqEKM= X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67359 Archived-At: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:56:16 -0400 Nikolaus Rath wrote: NR> On my IMAP server I have a group called "unrecognized-ham" that cannot NR> be read by anyone, but can be looked up and inserted to by anyone. As NR> the name suggests, mail in this folder is automatically analyzed to NR> correct mistakes made by a bayesian spam classifier. NR> Unfortunately it is not possible to access this group with gnus. When NR> I am in a different IMAP mailbox and try to copy a message with B c, NR> gnus complains that the group does not exist. Any attempt to create it NR> fails of course. Also I cannot see the group when using group apropos NR> and I cannot subscribe to it with U. NR> In Thunderbird, there is no problem at all. The group is visible and I NR> can copy messages into it. It seems that Gnus currently requires read access to a group in order to use it, even just to copy messages into it. That's probably a limitation of the backend, since Gnus expects every backend to be able to list its articles. The best solution I can suggest is a "read-only" group/topic variable that can be auto-detected, and when it's set for a group the backend will return empty article lists instead of trying to actually list the articles. This may break copying articles and other functions, though, so it's not an easy fix. I don't know if anyone is interested in doing this work. It's a bit of an edge case, though of course it's useful to those who need it. Ted