From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45311 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Epprecht Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: nnml group loosing marks Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:27:35 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <86lm9azyy0.fsf@i2d.home> References: <86adpzdoql.fsf@i2d.home> <86wusyjcf8.fsf@i2d.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1024525945 16493 127.0.0.1 (19 Jun 2002 22:32:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17Ko00-0004Hm-00 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:32:24 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17KnwI-0005J9-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:28:34 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:28:54 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11325 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:28:43 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 15282 invoked by alias); 19 Jun 2002 22:28:13 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 15277 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 22:28:13 -0000 Original-Received: from lisboa.cybernet.ch (212.90.198.190) by gnus.org with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 22:28:13 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 68104 invoked for bounce); 19 Jun 2002 22:29:56 -0000 Original-Received: from diup-194-123.cybernet.ch (HELO i2d.home) (212.90.194.123) by lisboa.cybernet.ch with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 22:29:56 -0000 Original-Received: from dada by i2d.home with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17KnvM-00005F-00; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:27:36 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45311 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45311 Robert Epprecht writes: I feel a bit embarrassed to insist on the matter and getting so few reactions. Do I talk nonsense? Please tell me and I'll shut up ;-) But this *does* look to me like a bug... (and a quite annoying one) OK, I'll resume: In (at least) one nnml group messages marked 'E' by killing threads with 'k' (Topic parameter: (auto-expire . t)) reappear unread after restarting Gnus. If I read the same thread by pressing 'n' repeatedly they do stay expirable as they should IMHO. Now I have found out a bit more: As a work around I copied all dormant and all 'unread' messages to a new nnml group (and adapted nnmail-split-methods accordingly) in the hope things would start working again. Nope, same thing in the new group. I killed a short thread (982-987) and saved .newsrc.eld ("debianUser" 3 ((1 . 978) (982 . 987) 1001 (1047 . 1048) ... ^^^^^^^^^^^ I left Gnus, restarted it (yes the thread is back) saved again: ("debianUser" 3 ((1 . 978) 1001 (1047 . 1048) ... No other difference in this group. What does it mean? Then I found out, that I *can* kill *new* threads, but not *old* ones. Could it have something to do with expiry, maybe agent expiry and the ordinary one playing some obscure game with each other? My knowledge about Gnus internals is very limited, my lisp debugging experience non exixting, sorry for that. But any help would be very much appreciated. Robert Epprecht