From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67266 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus development - Emacs 23 feature freeze, Emacs 22.3 pretest Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:38:07 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <86od3lt600.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87wsi91d8d.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219419341 7293 80.91.229.12 (22 Aug 2008 15:35:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:41 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M15717@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Aug 22 17:36:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KWYgT-0004K9-R8 for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:36:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KWYfQ-0000mA-Rd; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:35:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KWYfP-0000lv-HD for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:35:11 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWYfM-0004Xl-KP for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:35:11 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1KWYfJ-0001S6-00 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:35:05 +0200 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KWYfG-0002uU-OU for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YxDP2IPKuuPndSKdoIwJkIibrw8= X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67266 Archived-At: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:49:22 +0200 Reiner Steib wrote: RS> ***** Gnus 5.10.* / Emacs 22 RS> Emacs 22.3 is in pretest now and probably will be released soon. RS> IIUC, there will be no Emacs 22.4 release. For the Gnus 5.10 series RS> (= v5-10 branch in Gnus = Gnus 5.11 in Emacs 22.*), I'd suggest to RS> proceed as follows: RS> - Continue with v5-10 as before (including sync to/from the Emacs RS> 22.3 branch) until Emacs 22.3 has been released. RS> - Thereafter, do a final Gnus 5.10.12 release. RS> - Retire the v5-10 branch. (In case an urgent security fix demands for RS> a Gnus 5.10.14 release, we could revive it.) Works for me. RS> ***** Gnus 5.12.* (No Gnus) / Emacs 23 RS> The Gnus trunk is synched to Emacs trunk (and back). Since 3 weeks, RS> Emacs development is in feature freeze for Emacs 23.1 (announcement on RS> emacs-devel: ) RS> I.e. we should not sync any non-bugfixes to Emacs trunk anymore (or at RS> least they must be approved by the Emacs maintainers, Chong Yidong and RS> Stefan Monnier). RS> For the Gnus trunk, we have (at least) two options: RS> (1) Start the feature freeze for No Gnus (to be release as Gnus 5.12) RS> now. Do the bug fixing on the trunk. Sync the trunk with Emacs RS> trunk (as we do now). RS> Release Gnus 5.12.1 at same time as Emacs 23.1. RS> New features must be postponed until we start a new development RS> cycle. RS> (2) Create a separate branch for Emacs 23. Sync this branch with RS> Emacs trunk. Only bug fixes should be committed to this branch. RS> Use the trunk for the next version of Gnus. New features can be RS> added on the trunk immediately. I'm OK with either. Maybe (2) is a little better in terms of structure. Ted