* Deleted messages don't go away @ 2006-03-26 15:40 David Abrahams 2006-03-27 23:57 ` gdt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: David Abrahams @ 2006-03-26 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw) I keep seeing some messages in my NNIMAP groups even long after I've removed them using a different mail client. Is there some way to get Gnus to forget what it thinks it knows so the record can be accurate again? Thannks in advance, -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-26 15:40 Deleted messages don't go away David Abrahams @ 2006-03-27 23:57 ` gdt 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: gdt @ 2006-03-27 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: > I keep seeing some messages in my NNIMAP groups even long after I've > removed them using a different mail client. Is there some way to get > Gnus to forget what it thinks it knows so the record can be accurate > again? I had this problem too, and turned off the agent. Then gnus seems to no longer remember the stale messages. I suspect this is a cache-consistency issue arising from the newsreader focus of Gnus, where articles don't (properly) go away. With nnimap, articles deleted from the server should in my view be deleted from the agent. -- Greg Troxel <gdt@work.lexort.com> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-27 23:57 ` gdt @ 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-03-28 9:21 ` Reiner Steib ` (2 more replies) 2006-03-28 13:30 ` Deleted messages don't go away Wolfram Fenske 2006-03-29 16:03 ` [nnimap] " David Abrahams 2 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dave Goldberg @ 2006-03-28 3:33 UTC (permalink / raw) I periodically run gnus-agent-expire to solve this. I think it's only an issue with messages that I delete or move by hand (though I haven't looked very closely). Those that are deleted by the expiry process seem to be handled correctly. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg @ 2006-03-28 9:21 ` Reiner Steib 2006-03-28 16:34 ` Steven E. Harris 2006-04-04 13:04 ` moved messages don't go away neither (was: Deleted messages don't go away) Uwe Brauer 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-03-28 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, Mar 28 2006, Dave Goldberg wrote: > I periodically run gnus-agent-expire to solve this. I think it's only > an issue with messages that I delete or move by hand (though I haven't > looked very closely). Those that are deleted by the expiry process > seem to be handled correctly. (I don't use the agent, so I might be completely wrong.) Does setting `gnus-agent-synchronize-flags' to t help? ,----[ (info "(gnus)Agent Variables") ] | `gnus-agent-synchronize-flags' | If `gnus-agent-synchronize-flags' is `nil', the Agent will never | automatically synchronize flags. If it is `ask', which is the | default, the Agent will check if you made any changes and if so | ask if you wish to synchronize these when you re-connect. If it | has any other value, all flags will be synchronized automatically. `---- Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-03-28 9:21 ` Reiner Steib @ 2006-03-28 16:34 ` Steven E. Harris 2006-03-31 3:39 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-04-04 13:04 ` moved messages don't go away neither (was: Deleted messages don't go away) Uwe Brauer 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Steven E. Harris @ 2006-03-28 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: > I periodically run gnus-agent-expire to solve this. I still don't understand why this function (or the related gnus-agent-expire-group) needs to run manually. I've been doing it for a few years now and have never been able to figure out why it's necessary. The problem appears for me when I've been reading mail at work all week and not at all at home, then start reading mail at home over the weekend. My mail folders viewed from home will be full of old messages marked as expirable long ago. Despite having both the variables gnus-agent-expire-days and nnmail-expiry-wait set to 4, I find old messages piling up in my IMAP folders for several weeks, Gnus having forgotten or ignored the expire (expirable?) mark. -- Steven E. Harris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-28 16:34 ` Steven E. Harris @ 2006-03-31 3:39 ` Dave Goldberg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dave Goldberg @ 2006-03-31 3:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Well, I'm pretty sure the default is to expire a group upon exit. I find I don't like that at all. So I run them manually because I removed them from any hooks on which I found them. In general, I want to choose when to clean house. Using total expire with a couple days wait time and running expiry only periodically gives me the and convenience I want. The main thing with gnus-agent-expire is that it cleans out the overview files in the agent directory which is key to getting rid of deleted and moved messages. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* moved messages don't go away neither (was: Deleted messages don't go away) 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-03-28 9:21 ` Reiner Steib 2006-03-28 16:34 ` Steven E. Harris @ 2006-04-04 13:04 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-04 13:38 ` moved messages don't go away neither Simon Josefsson 2006-04-04 22:09 ` Dave Goldberg 2 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-04 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: Dave> I periodically run gnus-agent-expire to solve this. I think it's only Dave> an issue with messages that I delete or move by hand (though I haven't Dave> looked very closely). Those that are deleted by the expiry process Dave> seem to be handled correctly. If in the same setting, nnimap and agent I move messages from imap folder 1 to imap folder 2, with gnus-summary-move-article, they remain in folder 1. Even gnus-agent-expire does not help. Can somebody please confirm that. Thanks Uwe Brauer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-04 13:04 ` moved messages don't go away neither (was: Deleted messages don't go away) Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-04 13:38 ` Simon Josefsson 2006-04-04 14:09 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-04 22:09 ` Dave Goldberg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2006-04-04 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: >>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: > > Dave> I periodically run gnus-agent-expire to solve this. I think it's only > Dave> an issue with messages that I delete or move by hand (though I haven't > Dave> looked very closely). Those that are deleted by the expiry process > Dave> seem to be handled correctly. > > If in the same setting, nnimap and agent I move messages from imap > folder 1 to imap folder 2, with gnus-summary-move-article, they remain > in folder 1. Even gnus-agent-expire does not help. > > Can somebody please confirm that. I've experienced the same thing several times, but I cannot reproduce it. Perhaps it happens if you C-k the summary buffer, rather than exiting it with 'q'? When it happens, I usually remove the entire agent directory for that particular nnimap group. E.g. rm -rf ~/News/agent/nnimap/foo/bar. It is safe to do so (although, of course, you have then lost the local cache of that group). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-04 13:38 ` moved messages don't go away neither Simon Josefsson @ 2006-04-04 14:09 ` Uwe Brauer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-04 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: Simon> I've experienced the same thing several times, but I cannot Simon> reproduce it. Perhaps it happens if you C-k the summary Simon> buffer, rather than exiting it with 'q'? No I always leave with `q.' Simon> When it happens, I usually remove the entire agent directory Simon> for that particular nnimap group. E.g. rm -rf Simon> ~/News/agent/nnimap/foo/bar. It is safe to do so (although, Simon> of course, you have then lost the local cache of that Simon> group). Right, sometimes I do the same or similar, I only wanted to know, if gnus itself can solve that problem. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-04 13:04 ` moved messages don't go away neither (was: Deleted messages don't go away) Uwe Brauer 2006-04-04 13:38 ` moved messages don't go away neither Simon Josefsson @ 2006-04-04 22:09 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-04-05 1:17 ` Wolfram Fenske 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Dave Goldberg @ 2006-04-04 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) I used to see that. A couple months ago someone provided a patch that has been incorporated in No Gnus that appears to have solved it for me. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-04 22:09 ` Dave Goldberg @ 2006-04-05 1:17 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 11:29 ` Uwe Brauer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 1:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: > I used to see that. A couple months ago someone provided a patch > that has been incorporated in No Gnus that appears to have solved it > for me. That was me ;-) and I used to have the problem of "ghost mail," too. But when I saw this thread I checked again, and it seems I don't have it anymore. Thinking about it, it makes a little sense (but not a whole lot): without the patch, when nnimap moved an email, it created a copy in the destination folder (like it was supposed to), but didn't switch back to the source folder before setting the `Deleted' flag, which had the effect that the mail in the source folder never got expired. My guess is that this threw off the agent; at least it's easy to imagine how this would cause cache inconsistencies of some sort. Anyway, it seems I don't have the problem anymore and I'd suggest to try and see if my patch [1] keeps it from re-occurring. Any non-existent mail you have now, you have to get rid off by hand, though. Regards Wolfram Footnotes: [1] <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/61669/focus=61669> -- A: Yes. >Q: Are you sure? >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 1:17 ` Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 11:29 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 14:44 ` Wolfram Fenske 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Wolfram" == Wolfram Fenske >>>>> <Wolfram.Fenske@Student.Uni-Magdeburg.DE> writes: Wolfram> Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: >> I used to see that. A couple months ago someone provided a patch >> that has been incorporated in No Gnus that appears to have solved it >> for me. Wolfram> Anyway, it seems I don't have the problem anymore and I'd Wolfram> suggest to try and see if my patch [1] keeps it from Wolfram> re-occurring. Any non-existent mail you have now, you Wolfram> have to get rid off by hand, though. Thanks, but it does not work for me, when moving an article, the articles gets copied to the other folder and *marked* for deletion, however when exiting the group and reentering it is still there (contrary to deleting it my hand). I ran gnus-agent-regenerate and gnus-agent-expire but without success. Odd. Uwe Brauer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 11:29 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 14:44 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 16:28 ` Uwe Brauer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: >>>>>> "Wolfram" == Wolfram Fenske > [...] > > Wolfram> Anyway, it seems I don't have the problem anymore and I'd > Wolfram> suggest to try and see if my patch [1] keeps it from > Wolfram> re-occurring. Any non-existent mail you have now, you > Wolfram> have to get rid off by hand, though. > > Thanks, but it does not work for me, when moving an article, the > articles gets copied to the other folder and *marked* for deletion, > however when exiting the group and reentering it is still there > (contrary to deleting it my hand). Did you recompile "nnimap.el" or move the old "nnimap.elc" out of the way? IIRC, Emacs tries to use the compiled version of a file, even if it's older. Also, how exactly are you're articles still there? I ask, because there are two problems: 1. Articles that appears in an nnimap group but aren't really there. When you try to read such an article, Gnus beeps at you and tells you the article is no longer present (something like that). IIRC, you can't delete (B DEL) it, either. This is what I referred to as "ghost mail" in my previous post, and this is what I believe the original poster was talking about. I may be wrong, though. 2. Moving articles in the nnimap backend didn't work because the article in the source folder was not expired. But in contrast to problem no. 1, the article in the source folder could still be read. My patch should have fixed this bug. The reason I brought up the second issue is that I suspect that somehow the broken move function confused the agent and thus caused the "ghost mail" problem as well. Dave says he doesn't have this problem anymore since he's been using the patch, and neither do I. > I ran gnus-agent-regenerate and gnus-agent-expire but without > success. Odd. Can't really help you with that. I deleted everything in ~/News/agent/nnimap/ but previous posters have suggested other methods which sounded less brutal. Greetings Wolfram -- A: Yes. >Q: Are you sure? >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 14:44 ` Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 16:28 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 17:50 ` Wolfram Fenske 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Wolfram" == Wolfram Fenske >>>>> <Wolfram.Fenske@Student.Uni-Magdeburg.DE> writes: Wolfram> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: Wolfram> Did you recompile "nnimap.el" or move the old "nnimap.elc" Wolfram> out of the way? IIRC, Emacs tries to use the compiled Wolfram> version of a file, even if it's older. Of course I did. Wolfram> Also, how exactly are you're articles still there? I ask, because Wolfram> there are two problems: Wolfram> 1. Articles that appears in an nnimap group but aren't Wolfram> really there. When you try to read such an article, Gnus Wolfram> beeps at you and tells you the article is no longer Wolfram> present (something like that). IIRC, you can't delete Wolfram> (B DEL) it, either. This is what I referred to as Wolfram> "ghost mail" in my previous post, and this is what I Wolfram> believe the original poster was talking about. I may be Wolfram> wrong, though. No this is not my case. I can read the article. Wolfram> 2. Moving articles in the nnimap backend didn't work Wolfram> because the article in the source folder was not Wolfram> expired. But in contrast to problem no. 1, the article Wolfram> in the source folder could still be read. My patch Wolfram> should have fixed this bug. But the article has been copied? If so then it is my case. I use the gnus-summary-move-article function, say in a imap folder INBOX, then the articles *gets* copied to the new imap folder, say IMPORTANT, and the article is then *marked* as deleted. However when I reenter the group INBOX, the article is still there. Uwe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 16:28 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 17:50 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 18:35 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 18:41 ` Uwe Brauer 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: > [...] > > Wolfram> Did you recompile "nnimap.el" or move the old "nnimap.elc" > Wolfram> out of the way? IIRC, Emacs tries to use the compiled > Wolfram> version of a file, even if it's older. > > Of course I did. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. > Wolfram> Also, how exactly are you're articles still there? I > Wolfram> ask, because there are two problems: > > [...] > > Wolfram> 2. Moving articles in the nnimap backend didn't work > Wolfram> because the article in the source folder was not > Wolfram> expired. But in contrast to problem no. 1, the article > Wolfram> in the source folder could still be read. My patch > Wolfram> should have fixed this bug. > > But the article has been copied? If so then it is my case. Yes, that's the one I meant. > I use the gnus-summary-move-article function, say in a imap folder > INBOX, then the articles *gets* copied to the new imap folder, say > IMPORTANT, and the article is then *marked* as deleted. However when > I reenter the group INBOX, the article is still there. Weird. This should be working now. It is for me and at least one more person [1] (not much, I know ;-)). I just checked again, explicitly saying "M-x gnus-summary-move-article" -- everything OK. I have no clue why it doesn't work in your Gnus :-/ Regards Wolfram Footnotes: [1] <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62047> -- A: Yes. >Q: Are you sure? >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 17:50 ` Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 18:35 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 18:41 ` Uwe Brauer 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Wolfram" == Wolfram Fenske >>>>> <Wolfram.Fenske@Student.Uni-Magdeburg.DE> writes: >> >> Of course I did. Wolfram> Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. Sorry from my side, didn't mean that neither, you provide the code :) and I complain :( >> >> But the article has been copied? If so then it is my case. Wolfram> Yes, that's the one I meant. Wolfram> Weird. This should be working now. It is for me and at Wolfram> least one more person [1] (not much, I know ;-)). I just Wolfram> checked again, explicitly saying "M-x Wolfram> gnus-summary-move-article" -- everything OK. I have no Wolfram> clue why it doesn't work in your Gnus :-/ I am on no gnus 0.3, another possibility would be some strange variable setting but I looked for it, I don't find anything strange. Thanks again Uwe Ps I like you signature. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 17:50 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 18:35 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 18:41 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 19:14 ` Wolfram Fenske 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Wolfram" == Wolfram Fenske >>>>> <Wolfram.Fenske@Student.Uni-Magdeburg.DE> writes: >> >> [...] >> Wolfram> 2. Moving articles in the nnimap backend didn't work Wolfram> because the article in the source folder was not Wolfram> expired. But in contrast to problem no. 1, the article Wolfram> in the source folder could still be read. My patch Wolfram> should have fixed this bug. >> >> But the article has been copied? If so then it is my case. Wolfram> Yes, that's the one I meant. Hello I have to modify my statement: - I restarted my xemacs and the articles which I have moved, after having applied your patch, seems now to be ghost articles, in the sense of 1. Of your last mail. - I then run (gnus-agent-expire) and they indeed have disappeared. So it seems it was not enough to restart gnus, I had to restart xemacs. Thanks again Uwe Ps so I have doubled the number of success reports. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: moved messages don't go away neither 2006-04-05 18:41 ` Uwe Brauer @ 2006-04-05 19:14 ` Wolfram Fenske 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-04-05 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes: > [...] > > I have to modify my statement: > > - I restarted my xemacs and the articles which I have moved, > after having applied your patch, seems now to be ghost > articles, in the sense of 1. Of your last mail. > > - I then run (gnus-agent-expire) and they indeed have > disappeared. > > [...] > > Ps so I have doubled the number of success reports. I gather everything's working now? Glad to hear it :-) Greetings Wolfram -- A: Yes. >Q: Are you sure? >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-27 23:57 ` gdt 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg @ 2006-03-28 13:30 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-03-29 16:03 ` [nnimap] " David Abrahams 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-03-28 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw) gdt@work.lexort.com writes: > David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: > >> I keep seeing some messages in my NNIMAP groups even long after I've >> removed them using a different mail client. Is there some way to get >> Gnus to forget what it thinks it knows so the record can be accurate >> again? > > I had this problem too, and turned off the agent. Then gnus seems to > no longer remember the stale messages. > > I suspect this is a cache-consistency issue arising from the > newsreader focus of Gnus, where articles don't (properly) go away. I agree that it's a cache issue. A while back, when this problem got really bad for me (hundreds of ghost emails), I deleted everything in ~/News/agent/nnimap and the dead articles were gone. I think Dave Goldberg's workaround might be better, though. This problem might not arise if I used just one mail client on one computer but that's not possible for me. In fact, that's the whole reason I'm using IMAP. Ironic, isn't it? > [...] Regards Wolfram ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* [nnimap] Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-27 23:57 ` gdt 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-03-28 13:30 ` Deleted messages don't go away Wolfram Fenske @ 2006-03-29 16:03 ` David Abrahams 2006-03-29 16:23 ` gdt 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: David Abrahams @ 2006-03-29 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding gdt@work.lexort.com writes: > David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: > >> I keep seeing some messages in my NNIMAP groups even long after I've >> removed them using a different mail client. Is there some way to get >> Gnus to forget what it thinks it knows so the record can be accurate >> again? > > I had this problem too, and turned off the agent. Then gnus seems to > no longer remember the stale messages. Yeah, but once you turn it back on, they come back, right? I can't even get them to go away by removing the group from the agent. > I suspect this is a cache-consistency issue arising from the > newsreader focus of Gnus, where articles don't (properly) go away. > With nnimap, articles deleted from the server should in my view be > deleted from the agent. Agreed. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: [nnimap] Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-29 16:03 ` [nnimap] " David Abrahams @ 2006-03-29 16:23 ` gdt 2006-03-29 16:55 ` David Abrahams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: gdt @ 2006-03-29 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: > gdt@work.lexort.com writes: > >> David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: >> >>> I keep seeing some messages in my NNIMAP groups even long after I've >>> removed them using a different mail client. Is there some way to get >>> Gnus to forget what it thinks it knows so the record can be accurate >>> again? >> >> I had this problem too, and turned off the agent. Then gnus seems to >> no longer remember the stale messages. > > Yeah, but once you turn it back on, they come back, right? I can't > even get them to go away by removing the group from the agent. I didn't try this, but I'd expect them to come back. Since the agent seems broken with nnimap (if messages are deleted by other imap clients), I just disabled the agent for the entire nnimap server. It would be nice to have the agent work, and be able to use cached copies of messages and at mail offline. It seems that some other uses of the agent want articles only in the agent (but not on the server) to appear. So perhaps this should be a per-group or per-server property, defaulting to "sync with server" for nnimap. -- Greg Troxel <gdt@work.lexort.com> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: [nnimap] Deleted messages don't go away 2006-03-29 16:23 ` gdt @ 2006-03-29 16:55 ` David Abrahams 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: David Abrahams @ 2006-03-29 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding gdt@work.lexort.com writes: > David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: > >> gdt@work.lexort.com writes: >> >>> David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes: >>> >>>> I keep seeing some messages in my NNIMAP groups even long after I've >>>> removed them using a different mail client. Is there some way to get >>>> Gnus to forget what it thinks it knows so the record can be accurate >>>> again? >>> >>> I had this problem too, and turned off the agent. Then gnus seems to >>> no longer remember the stale messages. >> >> Yeah, but once you turn it back on, they come back, right? I can't >> even get them to go away by removing the group from the agent. > > I didn't try this, but I'd expect them to come back. Since the agent > seems broken with nnimap (if messages are deleted by other imap > clients), I just disabled the agent for the entire nnimap server. But of course I want offline access to my IMAP messages. And (of course) my IMAP server is slow so having a local cache is valuable. > It would be nice to have the agent work, and be able to use cached > copies of messages and at mail offline. It seems that some other uses > of the agent want articles only in the agent (but not on the server) > to appear. So perhaps this should be a per-group or per-server > property, defaulting to "sync with server" for nnimap. That would sure be nice. I wish I could do it myself, but I've given up trying to modify the Gnus system (or even really understand it -- I'm sometimes amazed I can use it at all, but it's still the most productive client I can find). -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2006-04-05 19:14 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 22+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2006-03-26 15:40 Deleted messages don't go away David Abrahams 2006-03-27 23:57 ` gdt 2006-03-28 3:33 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-03-28 9:21 ` Reiner Steib 2006-03-28 16:34 ` Steven E. Harris 2006-03-31 3:39 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-04-04 13:04 ` moved messages don't go away neither (was: Deleted messages don't go away) Uwe Brauer 2006-04-04 13:38 ` moved messages don't go away neither Simon Josefsson 2006-04-04 14:09 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-04 22:09 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-04-05 1:17 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 11:29 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 14:44 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 16:28 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 17:50 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-04-05 18:35 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 18:41 ` Uwe Brauer 2006-04-05 19:14 ` Wolfram Fenske 2006-03-28 13:30 ` Deleted messages don't go away Wolfram Fenske 2006-03-29 16:03 ` [nnimap] " David Abrahams 2006-03-29 16:23 ` gdt 2006-03-29 16:55 ` David Abrahams
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