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Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> writes:

> wmperry@aventail.com (William M. Perry) writes:
> 
> > > ssl.el does not do STARTTLS.
> > > 
> > > There is a STARTTLS implementation in elisp/C [1] by Daiki Ueno that work
> > > with IMAP, if you want I could make an attempt to make it work for SMTP
> > > too.
> > 
> > Hrm - looks pretty cool.  I'll have to see if we can merge ssl.el and that
> > together.
> 
> It's my understanding that TLS supercedes SSL, so perhaps it's easiest
> just to make sure that starttls.el understands SSL too, and only use
> starttls.el.  It's not unlikely that starttls.c already does support SSL,
> since it uses OpenSSL.

I mean that ssl.el provides a lot more than just SSL negotiation.  It has
functions to get information about a certificate so it can be viewed by a
human, you can accept new CA certificates into the repository, etc.

-Bill P.