split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Norman Walsh]

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I'm completely confused by something.

I'm using nnmail-split-fancy and gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent:

(require 'gnus-registry)

(setq gnus-registry-max-entries 5000
      gnus-registry-use-long-group-names t)

(setq nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups
      '("spam.missed"
	"archive\\..*"))

(gnus-registry-initialize)

(setq nnmail-split-fancy
      '(|    ("X-DSPAM-Result" "Spam" "spam.caught")
       (|    ("X-SPAM-Charset" "yes.*" "spam.missed")
       (& (| (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
	     ("sender" "ubuntu-announce.*@lists\.ubuntu\.com" "ubuntu.announce")
	     ("sender" "ubuntu-users.*@lists\.ubuntu\.com" "ubuntu.users")
             ...)))))

I have a message:

  From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
  To: tag@w3.org
  Subject: XML 2.0
  X-Draft-From: ("w3c.member.tag")
  BCC: normanwalsh+bcc@gmail.com
  X-URL: http://nwalsh.com/
  X-Countdown: T-minus 47 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes, 42 seconds
  Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:58:25 -0500
  Message-ID: <m2wsozqwtq.fsf@nwalsh.com>
  User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.50 (darwin)
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-=";
  	micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
  Lines: 28
  Xref: nwalsh.com w3c.member.tag:6082

  ...

If I put the cursor in that message and run 
(gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent), it returns "nil", as I'd expect.

But if I do B t, I get:

(: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
"misc"
(: nwalsh-incoming-group)
"archive.2008-02"

which I find totally baffling. Where is that 'misc' coming from?

Note that gnus-registry-track-extra is nil.

Any clues you can provide would be most helpful.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | When it is not necessary to make a
http://nwalsh.com/            | decision, it is necessary not to make a
                              | decision.--Lord Falkland

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:09:24 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> I'm completely confused by something.
NW> I'm using nnmail-split-fancy and gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent:
...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:41:19 -0500 Jake Colman <colman@ppllc.com> wrote: 

Jake> I just started seeing this come up when getting messages from my IMAP
Jake> server:

Jake> "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent: too many extra matches for "

Jake> This just started today and I'm seeing several messages like this.

Jake> What's going on?!

The attached patch against today's CVS will give you proper logging,
plus I reworked the function gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent to be
much nicer.  Make sure you have gnus-verbose turned up to 9, then try
this out and let me know if the logging helped, and if things generally
worked OK.

I am reworking both logging and splitting, so comment on both please.
Anyone else interested in testing, please give it a shot.

Ted


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Index: gnus-registry.el
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp/gnus-registry.el,v
retrieving revision 7.47
diff -a -u -r7.47 gnus-registry.el
--- gnus-registry.el	26 Feb 2008 18:16:38 -0000	7.47
+++ gnus-registry.el	27 Feb 2008 22:34:59 -0000
@@ -425,119 +425,150 @@
 For a message to be split, it looks for the parent message in the
 References or In-Reply-To header and then looks in the registry
 to see which group that message was put in.  This group is
-returned, unless it matches one of the entries in
-gnus-registry-unfollowed-groups or
-nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups.
+returned, unless `gnus-registry-follow-group-p' return nil for
+that group.
 
 See the Info node `(gnus)Fancy Mail Splitting' for more details."
-  (let* ((refstr (or (message-fetch-field "references") "")) ; guarantee string
-	 (reply-to (message-fetch-field "in-reply-to"))	     ; grab reply-to
+  (let* ((refstr (or (message-fetch-field "references") "")) ; guaranteed
+	 (reply-to (message-fetch-field "in-reply-to"))	     ; may be nil
 	 ;; now, if reply-to is valid, append it to the References
 	 (refstr (if reply-to 
 		     (concat refstr " " reply-to)
 		   refstr))
-	(nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups
-	 (if (listp nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups)
-	     nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups
-	   (list nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups)))
-	res)
-    ;; the references string must be valid and parse to valid references
-    (if (and refstr (gnus-extract-references refstr))
-	(dolist (reference (nreverse (gnus-extract-references refstr)))
-	  (setq res (or (gnus-registry-fetch-group reference) res))
-	  (when (or (gnus-registry-grep-in-list
-		     res
-		     gnus-registry-unfollowed-groups)
-		    (gnus-registry-grep-in-list
-		     res
-		     nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups))
-	    (setq res nil)))
-
-      ;; else: there were no references, now try the extra tracking
-      (let ((sender (gnus-string-remove-all-properties(message-fetch-field "from")))
-	    (subject (gnus-string-remove-all-properties
-		      (gnus-registry-simplify-subject
-		       (message-fetch-field "subject"))))
-	    (single-match t))
-	(when (and single-match
-		   (gnus-registry-track-sender-p)
-		   sender)
-	  (maphash
-	   (lambda (key value)
-	     (let ((this-sender (cdr
-				 (gnus-registry-fetch-extra key 'sender))))
-	       (when (and single-match
-			  this-sender
-			  (equal sender this-sender))
-		 ;; too many matches, bail
-		 (unless (equal res (gnus-registry-fetch-group key))
-		   (setq single-match nil))
-		 (setq res (gnus-registry-fetch-group key))
-		 (when (and sender res)
-		   (gnus-message
-		    ;; raise level of messaging if gnus-registry-track-extra
-		    (if gnus-registry-track-extra 7 9)
-		    "%s (extra tracking) traced sender %s to group %s"
-		    "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent"
-		    sender
-		    res)))))
-	   gnus-registry-hashtb))
-	(when (and single-match
-		   (gnus-registry-track-subject-p)
-		   subject
-		   (< gnus-registry-minimum-subject-length (length subject)))
-	  (maphash
-	   (lambda (key value)
-	     (let ((this-subject (cdr
-				  (gnus-registry-fetch-extra key 'subject))))
-	       (when (and single-match
-			  this-subject
-			  (equal subject this-subject))
-		 ;; too many matches, bail
-		 (unless (equal res (gnus-registry-fetch-group key))
-		   (setq single-match nil))
-		 (setq res (gnus-registry-fetch-group key))
-		 (when (and subject res)
-		   (gnus-message
-		    ;; raise level of messaging if gnus-registry-track-extra
-		    (if gnus-registry-track-extra 7 9)
-		    "%s (extra tracking) traced subject %s to group %s"
-		    "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent"
-		    subject
-		    res)))))
-	   gnus-registry-hashtb))
-	(unless single-match
-	  (gnus-message
-	   3
-	   "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent: too many extra matches for %s"
-	   refstr)
-	  (setq res nil))))
-    (when (and refstr res)
-      (gnus-message
-       5
-       "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced %s to group %s"
-       refstr res))
-
-    (when (and res gnus-registry-use-long-group-names)
-      (let ((m1 (gnus-find-method-for-group res))
-	    (m2 (or gnus-command-method
-		    (gnus-find-method-for-group gnus-newsgroup-name)))
-	    (short-res (gnus-group-short-name res)))
-      (if (gnus-methods-equal-p m1 m2)
-	  (progn
+	 ;; these may not be used, but the code is cleaner having them up here
+	 (sender (gnus-string-remove-all-properties
+		  (message-fetch-field "from")))
+	 (subject (gnus-string-remove-all-properties
+		   (gnus-registry-simplify-subject
+		    (message-fetch-field "subject"))))
+
+	 (nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups
+	  (if (listp nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups)
+	      nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups
+	    (list nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups)))
+	 (log-agent "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent")
+	 found)
+
+    ;; this is a big if-else statement.  it uses
+    ;; gnus-registry-post-process-groups to filter the results after
+    ;; every step.
+    (cond
+     ;; the references string must be valid and parse to valid references
+     ((and refstr (gnus-extract-references refstr))
+      (dolist (reference (nreverse (gnus-extract-references refstr)))
+	(gnus-message
+	 9
+	 "%s is looking for matches for reference %s from [%s]"
+	 log-agent reference refstr)
+	(dolist (group (gnus-registry-fetch-groups reference))
+	  (when (and group (gnus-registry-follow-group-p group))
 	    (gnus-message
-	     9
-	     "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent stripped group %s to %s"
-	     res
-	     short-res)
-	    (setq res short-res))
-	;; else...
+	     7
+	     "%s traced the reference %s from [%s] to group %s"
+	     log-agent reference refstr group)
+	    (push group found))))
+      ;; filter the found groups and return them
+      (setq found (gnus-registry-post-process-groups "references" refstr found)))
+
+     ;; else: there were no matches, now try the extra tracking by sender
+     ((and (gnus-registry-track-sender-p) 
+	   sender)
+      (maphash
+       (lambda (key value)
+	 (let ((this-sender (cdr
+			     (gnus-registry-fetch-extra key 'sender)))
+	       matches)
+	   (when (and this-sender
+		      (equal sender this-sender))
+	     (setq found (append (gnus-registry-fetch-groups key) found))
+	     (push key matches)
+	     (gnus-message
+	      ;; raise level of messaging if gnus-registry-track-extra
+	      (if gnus-registry-track-extra 7 9)
+	      "%s (extra tracking) traced sender %s to groups %s (keys %s)"
+	      log-agent sender found matches))))
+       gnus-registry-hashtb)
+      ;; filter the found groups and return them
+      (setq found (gnus-registry-post-process-groups "sender" sender found)))
+      
+     ;; else: there were no matches, now try the extra tracking by subject
+     ((and (gnus-registry-track-subject-p)
+	   subject
+	   (< gnus-registry-minimum-subject-length (length subject)))
+      (maphash
+       (lambda (key value)
+	 (let ((this-subject (cdr
+			      (gnus-registry-fetch-extra key 'subject)))
+	       matches)
+	   (when (and this-subject
+		      (equal subject this-subject))
+	     (setq found (append (gnus-registry-fetch-groups key) found))
+	     (push key matches)
+	     (gnus-message
+	      ;; raise level of messaging if gnus-registry-track-extra
+	      (if gnus-registry-track-extra 7 9)
+	      "%s (extra tracking) traced subject %s to groups %s (keys %s)"
+	      log-agent subject found matches))))
+       gnus-registry-hashtb)
+      ;; filter the found groups and return them
+      (setq found (gnus-registry-post-process-groups "subject" subject found))))))
+
+(defun gnus-registry-post-process-groups (mode key groups)
+  "Modifies GROUPS obtained by searching by MODE for KEY to determine which ones to follow.
+
+MODE can be 'subject' or 'sender' for example.  The KEY is the
+value by which MODE was searched.
+
+Transforms each group name to the equivalent short name.
+
+Checks if the current Gnus method (from `gnus-command-method' or
+from `gnus-newsgroup-name') is the same as the group's method.
+This is not possible if gnus-registry-use-long-group-names is
+false.  Foreign methods are not supported so they are rejected.
+
+Reduces the list to a single group, or complains if that's not
+possible."
+  (let ((log-agent "gnus-registry-post-process-group")
+	out)
+    (if gnus-registry-use-long-group-names
+	(dolist (group groups)
+	  (let ((m1 (gnus-find-method-for-group group))
+		(m2 (or gnus-command-method
+			(gnus-find-method-for-group gnus-newsgroup-name)))
+		(short-name (gnus-group-short-name group)))
+	    (if (gnus-methods-equal-p m1 m2)
+		(progn
+		  ;; this is REALLY just for debugging
+		  (gnus-message
+		   10
+		   "%s stripped group %s to %s"
+		   log-agent group short-name)
+		  (unless (member short-name out)
+		    (push short-name out)))
+	      ;; else...
+	      (gnus-message
+	       7
+	       "%s ignored foreign group %s"
+	       log-agent group))))
+      (setq out groups))
+    (when (cdr-safe out)
 	(gnus-message
-	 7
-	 "gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent ignored foreign group %s"
-	 res)
-	(setq res nil))))
-    res))
+	 5
+	 "%s: too many extra matches (%s) for %s %s.  Returning none."
+	 log-agent out mode key)
+	(setq out nil))
+    out))
+
+(defun gnus-registry-follow-group-p (group)
+  "Determines if a group name should be followed.
+Consults `gnus-registry-unfollowed-groups' and
+`nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups'."
+  (not (or (gnus-registry-grep-in-list
+	    group
+	    gnus-registry-unfollowed-groups)
+	   (gnus-registry-grep-in-list
+	    group
+	    nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent-ignore-groups))))
 
 (defun gnus-registry-wash-for-keywords (&optional force)
   (interactive)

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Jake Colman]

>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

   TZ> The attached patch against today's CVS will give you proper
   TZ> logging, plus I reworked the function
   TZ> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent to be much nicer.  Make
   TZ> sure you have gnus-verbose turned up to 9, then try this out and
   TZ> let me know if the logging helped, and if things generally worked
   TZ> OK.

   TZ> I am reworking both logging and splitting, so comment on both
   TZ> please.  Anyone else interested in testing, please give it a
   TZ> shot.

   TZ> Ted

I am up and running with gnus from 20080228 with your patch.  It must be
working because the registry has got a heck of alot more to say!

Below are two examples: one tha(I guess) did as it should and the other
complaining about extra matches.  What exactly is this telling me?  How
do I read this?

gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent (extra tracking) traced sender "Rafiq Ahmed" <rafiq.ahmed@Xoriant.Com> to groups (INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl) (keys (<FA3D7C54DA3A1540B2C92C93ACD2156002A32CFE@XOREXCH.India.XoriantCorp.com>))

gnus-registry-post-process-group: too many extra matches ((INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl)) for sender "Rafiq Ahmed" <rafiq.ahmed@Xoriant.Com>.  Returning none.

Thanks.

...Jake

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:09:22 -0500 Jake Colman <colman@ppllc.com> wrote: 

>>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
TZ> The attached patch against today's CVS will give you proper
TZ> logging, plus I reworked the function
TZ> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent to be much nicer.  Make
TZ> sure you have gnus-verbose turned up to 9, then try this out and
TZ> let me know if the logging helped, and if things generally worked
TZ> OK.

TZ> I am reworking both logging and splitting, so comment on both
TZ> please.  Anyone else interested in testing, please give it a
TZ> shot.

TZ> Ted

JC> I am up and running with gnus from 20080228 with your patch.  It must be
JC> working because the registry has got a heck of alot more to say!

JC> Below are two examples: one tha(I guess) did as it should and the other
JC> complaining about extra matches.  What exactly is this telling me?  How
JC> do I read this?

JC> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent (extra tracking) traced sender "Rafiq Ahmed" <rafiq.ahmed@Xoriant.Com> to groups (INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl) (keys (<FA3D7C54DA3A1540B2C92C93ACD2156002A32CFE@XOREXCH.India.XoriantCorp.com>))

JC> gnus-registry-post-process-group: too many extra matches ((INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/Management INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/SFP INBOX/Principia/StateControl INBOX/Principia/StateControl)) for sender "Rafiq Ahmed" <rafiq.ahmed@Xoriant.Com>.  Returning none.

I think this is one splitting example with two output lines.  The
registry found matches by sender, then in
gnus-registry-post-process-group the matches were filtered.

The post-processing says that the sender has multiple messages, whose
registry entries point to several different groups.  Currently the
registry post-processing just gives up if that happens, so you don't end
up with inconsistent splitting.  I could change that logic, since I've
reworked the splitting code anyhow.  Maybe the user could set a
strategy:

- give up on multiples (current)

- select first group alphabetically or some other stable sort method
  (predictable, easy to understand, easy to implement, not necessarily
  accurate)

- select a group if it's "preferred" (configuration burden is on the
  user)

- ask user (annoying if it happens a lot, but the "preferred" list of
  groups could be learned dynamically this way)

- some mix of the above

- other ideas?

Ted

gnus-registry logging and splitting improvements (was: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion)

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:40:29 -0600 Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote: 

TZ> The attached patch against today's CVS will give you proper logging,
TZ> plus I reworked the function gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent to be
TZ> much nicer.  Make sure you have gnus-verbose turned up to 9, then try
TZ> this out and let me know if the logging helped, and if things generally
TZ> worked OK.

I comitted this patch after running with it for a bit, and Jake Colman
reported it worked for him as well.  Please note that I rewrote much of
the splitting code, so it's possible some bugs have crept in.

Ted

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:09:24 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> If I put the cursor in that message and run 
NW> (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent), it returns "nil", as I'd expect.

NW> But if I do B t, I get:

NW> (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
NW> "misc"
NW> (: nwalsh-incoming-group)
NW> "archive.2008-02"

NW> which I find totally baffling. Where is that 'misc' coming from?

NW> Note that gnus-registry-track-extra is nil.

NW> Any clues you can provide would be most helpful.

Just from what you've described, I have no idea, sorry.  If you can
re-run your example with the new registry changes, I could try to
understand what happened.

Ted

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Norman Walsh]

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/ Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
| On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:09:24 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 
|
| NW> If I put the cursor in that message and run 
| NW> (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent), it returns "nil", as I'd expect.
|
| NW> But if I do B t, I get:
|
| NW> (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
| NW> "misc"
| NW> (: nwalsh-incoming-group)
| NW> "archive.2008-02"
|
| NW> which I find totally baffling. Where is that 'misc' coming from?
|
| NW> Note that gnus-registry-track-extra is nil.
|
| NW> Any clues you can provide would be most helpful.
|
| Just from what you've described, I have no idea, sorry.  If you can
| re-run your example with the new registry changes, I could try to
| understand what happened.

I have the new code, I think. I updated from CVS and the patch seemed
to have already been applied.

I set gnus-verbosity to 9 and tried "B" "t" on the offending message,
but didn't get any useful feedback. Is there something else I should
have done?

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There has never been a perfect
http://nwalsh.com/            | government, because men have passions;
                              | and if they did not have passions,
                              | there would be no need for
                              | government.-- Voltaire

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:07:11 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> I have the new code, I think. I updated from CVS and the patch seemed
NW> to have already been applied.

Yes, I did it last week after running for a bit without problems and
without bug reports.

NW> I set gnus-verbosity to 9 and tried "B" "t" on the offending message,
NW> but didn't get any useful feedback. Is there something else I should
NW> have done?

Are you sure you got nothing?  If so, then `B t' may not have called
gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent.  Try running it manually:

M-: (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)

in the article buffer with the headers visible (hit `t').

Ted

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Norman Walsh]

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/ Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
| Are you sure you got nothing?  If so, then `B t' may not have called
| gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent.  Try running it manually:
|
| M-: (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
|
| in the article buffer with the headers visible (hit `t').

It reports "nil" but gives no other debugging messages. 'B t' still
reports "misc" which is (still) wrong.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | We dance around in a ring and suppose,
http://nwalsh.com/            | but the Secret sits in the middle and
                              | knows.--Robert Frost

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:14:35 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> / Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
NW> | Are you sure you got nothing?  If so, then `B t' may not have called
NW> | gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent.  Try running it manually:
NW> |
NW> | M-: (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
NW> |
NW> | in the article buffer with the headers visible (hit `t').

NW> It reports "nil" but gives no other debugging messages. 'B t' still
NW> reports "misc" which is (still) wrong.

Set gnus-verbose to 9.

Run both commands.

Look in the *Messages* buffer for the debug output.

Thanks
Ted

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Norman Walsh]

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/ Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
| On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:14:35 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 
|
| NW> / Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
| NW> | Are you sure you got nothing?  If so, then `B t' may not have called
| NW> | gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent.  Try running it manually:
| NW> |
| NW> | M-: (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
| NW> |
| NW> | in the article buffer with the headers visible (hit `t').
|
| NW> It reports "nil" but gives no other debugging messages. 'B t' still
| NW> reports "misc" which is (still) wrong.
|
| Set gnus-verbose to 9.
|
| Run both commands.
|
| Look in the *Messages* buffer for the debug output.

That's exactly what I did.

I'm running No Gnus v0.7 from CVS of a few days ago, after you checked in
your changes. I've set gnus-verbose to 9.

When *new* mail comes in, I do get some more verbose messages:

gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced the reference
<47CD9E45.8080607@sun.com> from [<4787B193.4030800@sun.com>
<4790EC1F.3080009@sun.com> <47A11939.1050101@sun.com>
<47A89F04.9030306@sun.com> <47B1E6F8.4050101@sun.com>
<47BB12F1.4030906@sun.com> <47C46361.4050001@sun.com>
<47CD9E45.8080607@sun.com> <47CD9E45.8080607@sun.com>] to group
sun.jaxp-tech-internal

But when I go to an essay in a *Summary* buffer that I know was misplaced,
expand the headers, switch to that buffer, and M-: 
 (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent), I get "nil" in the minibuffer
and "nil" in the *Messages* buffer.

When I run "B t", I get 

(: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
"misc"
(: nwalsh-incoming-group)
"archive.2008-03"

and "This message would go to archive.2008-03, misc" in *Messages*

I'm very confused. This looks and feels like user error, but I don't
see where I've erred.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | What is familiar is what we are used
http://nwalsh.com/            | to; and what we are used to is most
                              | difficult to 'Know'--that is, to see as
                              | a problem; that is, to see as strange,
                              | as distant, as 'outside us'.-- Nietzsche

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:14:18 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> / Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
NW> | On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:14:35 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 
NW> |
NW> | NW> / Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
NW> | NW> | Are you sure you got nothing?  If so, then `B t' may not have called
NW> | NW> | gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent.  Try running it manually:
NW> | NW> |
NW> | NW> | M-: (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
NW> | NW> |
NW> | NW> | in the article buffer with the headers visible (hit `t').
NW> |
NW> | NW> It reports "nil" but gives no other debugging messages. 'B t' still
NW> | NW> reports "misc" which is (still) wrong.
NW> |
NW> | Set gnus-verbose to 9.
NW> |
NW> | Run both commands.
NW> |
NW> | Look in the *Messages* buffer for the debug output.

NW> That's exactly what I did.

NW> I'm running No Gnus v0.7 from CVS of a few days ago, after you checked in
NW> your changes. I've set gnus-verbose to 9.

NW> When *new* mail comes in, I do get some more verbose messages:

NW> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced the reference
NW> <47CD9E45.8080607@sun.com> from [<4787B193.4030800@sun.com>
NW> <4790EC1F.3080009@sun.com> <47A11939.1050101@sun.com>
NW> <47A89F04.9030306@sun.com> <47B1E6F8.4050101@sun.com>
NW> <47BB12F1.4030906@sun.com> <47C46361.4050001@sun.com>
NW> <47CD9E45.8080607@sun.com> <47CD9E45.8080607@sun.com>] to group
NW> sun.jaxp-tech-internal

NW> But when I go to an essay in a *Summary* buffer that I know was misplaced,
NW> expand the headers, switch to that buffer, and M-: 
NW>  (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent), I get "nil" in the minibuffer
NW> and "nil" in the *Messages* buffer.

NW> When I run "B t", I get 

NW> (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
NW> "misc"
NW> (: nwalsh-incoming-group)
NW> "archive.2008-03"

NW> and "This message would go to archive.2008-03, misc" in *Messages*

NW> I'm very confused. This looks and feels like user error, but I don't
NW> see where I've erred.

`B t' and gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent must not be working
right, or your gnus-verbose value is set to a lower value somewhere
else.  Would it be possible to see the message you are using for
testing, in case something about it is the problem?  Send it to me
privately if necessary.  You can also try

M-: (let ((gnus-verbose 9)) (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent))

which is guaranteed to work because it will override gnus-verbose.  If
it doesn't produce anything in *Messages*, something is wrong on your
side.

Ted

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Norman Walsh]

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/ Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> was heard to say:
[...]
| `B t' and gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent must not be working
| right, or your gnus-verbose value is set to a lower value somewhere
| else.  Would it be possible to see the message you are using for
| testing, in case something about it is the problem?  Send it to me
| privately if necessary.  You can also try
|
| M-: (let ((gnus-verbose 9)) (gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent))
|
| which is guaranteed to work because it will override gnus-verbose.  If
| it doesn't produce anything in *Messages*, something is wrong on your
| side.

That did it. I wonder where gnus-verbose is getting reset? I set it in
*scratch* and it *seemed* persistent. Anyway...

Here's what I get for one of the misfiled messages:

gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent is looking for matches for reference <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> from [ <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>]
gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced the reference <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> from [ <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>] to group nnml:misc
gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced the reference <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> from [ <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>] to group w3c.member.tag
gnus-registry-post-process-group: too many extra matches ((misc w3c.member.tag)) for references  <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>.  Returning none.
nil

I have no idea how/why it traced <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> to nnml:misc.
It isn't there, it wasn't sent from there, and it's never been there. Here
are the headers for it:

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Curiously, if I look in .gnus.registry.eld, sure enough I find:

("<m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>" ((mtime 18380 22548 203572)) "w3c.member.tag" "nnml:misc")

So now I guess the question is, who decided to put nnml:misc in there?

Here are the headers for the message that got misfiled, in case they help:

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                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There has never been a perfect
http://nwalsh.com/            | government, because men have passions;
                              | and if they did not have passions,
                              | there would be no need for
                              | government.-- Voltaire

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Norman Walsh]

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/ Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> was heard to say:
| I have no idea how/why it traced <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> to nnml:misc.
| It isn't there, it wasn't sent from there, and it's never been there. Here
| are the headers for it:
[...]
| Curiously, if I look in .gnus.registry.eld, sure enough I find:
|
| ("<m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>" ((mtime 18380 22548 203572)) "w3c.member.tag" "nnml:misc")
|
| So now I guess the question is, who decided to put nnml:misc in there?

And the answer to that question is, because this split rule didn't match:

  ("sender" "^tag-request@w3.org" "w3c.member.tag")

I took the "^" out, moved it down a little bit in the list, and now the
right thing happens. And I think this resolves the mystery of how *my
original* got misfiled. And that, in turn, resolves the mystery of why
the parents were wrong.

So it was user error after all. But we knew that already, right? :-)

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There has never been a perfect
http://nwalsh.com/            | government, because men have passions;
                              | and if they did not have passions,
                              | there would be no need for
                              | government.-- Voltaire

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Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:04:41 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> / Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> was heard to say:
NW> | I have no idea how/why it traced <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> to nnml:misc.
NW> | It isn't there, it wasn't sent from there, and it's never been there. Here
NW> | are the headers for it:
NW> [...]
NW> | Curiously, if I look in .gnus.registry.eld, sure enough I find:
NW> |
NW> | ("<m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>" ((mtime 18380 22548 203572)) "w3c.member.tag" "nnml:misc")
NW> |
NW> | So now I guess the question is, who decided to put nnml:misc in there?

NW> And the answer to that question is, because this split rule didn't match:

NW>   ("sender" "^tag-request@w3.org" "w3c.member.tag")

NW> I took the "^" out, moved it down a little bit in the list, and now the
NW> right thing happens. And I think this resolves the mystery of how *my
NW> original* got misfiled. And that, in turn, resolves the mystery of why
NW> the parents were wrong.

NW> So it was user error after all. But we knew that already, right? :-)

It was good that the debugging info helped you.  Because the registry is
so thorough about catching articles, these problems will happen so I'm
glad new users of the registry will not suffer like you and Jake Colman
did :)

Ted

Re: split-fancy and gnus-registry confusion

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:49:36 -0500 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote: 

NW> That did it. I wonder where gnus-verbose is getting reset? I set it in
NW> *scratch* and it *seemed* persistent. Anyway...

I don't know, sorry.

NW> Here's what I get for one of the misfiled messages:

NW> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent is looking for matches for reference <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> from [ <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>]
NW> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced the reference <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> from [ <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>] to group nnml:misc
NW> gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent traced the reference <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> from [ <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>] to group w3c.member.tag
NW> gnus-registry-post-process-group: too many extra matches ((misc w3c.member.tag)) for references  <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>.  Returning none.
NW> nil

NW> I have no idea how/why it traced <m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com> to nnml:misc.
NW> It isn't there, it wasn't sent from there, and it's never been there. Here
NW> are the headers for it:
...
NW> Curiously, if I look in .gnus.registry.eld, sure enough I find:

NW> ("<m23ar738ty.fsf@nwalsh.com>" ((mtime 18380 22548 203572)) "w3c.member.tag" "nnml:misc")

NW> So now I guess the question is, who decided to put nnml:misc in there?

It was the registry.  It hooks into each backend's functionality (spool,
move, copy) and also notices new articles in every group you visit.  I
don't know how and when this happened, though.

As I mentioned in another message, I think giving up on multiple matches
is not ideal.  We can do better.  Maybe the registry could ask the user
in such cases for the right strategy?

Ted