From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: gnus should accept UTF8 even if UTF-8 is standard
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:01:34 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86vdvselsh.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ud4i1nii2.fsf@gnu.org>
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:47:49 +0200 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
>> It's a common usage, e.g. in locale names. 'UTF-8 is also common and
>> should be added.
EZ> It's common usage, allright, but it need not be added, because code
EZ> that gleans a coding-system from file metadata and email messages
EZ> should always downcase the encoding before intern-ing it. If some
EZ> code doesn't downcase, that's a bug that needs to be fixed.
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:32:11 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
SJT> It's intended to be a user convenience for typing to iconv and the
SJT> like. It was introduced IIRC by glibc, comparing encoding names by
SJT> stripping out non-alphanumerics and canonicalizing case. However,
SJT> internally Emacs should use the IANA registered names, and only use
SJT> aliases where one encoding has multiple names for some reason (are
SJT> there any?) or where one encoding is implemented as an alias to
SJT> another (binary and iso-8859-1-unix).
SJT> I agree that users should be allowed the convenience; this can be done
SJT> with a `read-mime-charset' or the like, which will determine what the
SJT> user wants and produce a canonical encoding name. I see no good
SJT> reason for allowing it to programmers, who will probably spell it "u
SJT> M-/ 8" in any case.<wink> If it's being seen in MIME headers, very
SJT> likely it's spam. Responsible MUAs will use the names registered with
SJT> the IANA where available, but spammers tend to disregard RFCs the way
SJT> they disregard all other civilized usage. Emacs should not emulate
SJT> them.
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:41:29 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> BTW, is the uppercase variant useful? AFAICS, it is the only
>> uppercase variant...
SM> I think neither variant is deserved.
SM> Such aliases aren't much use and they become annoying duplicates when
SM> listing coding systems. I much prefer to add such things punctually
SM> where they're needed. E.g. in mm-charset-synonym-alist.
OK, I've removed the aliases. Thanks, everyone, for the helpful information.
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-16 13:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-14 20:30 jidanni
2008-10-14 20:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-10-15 0:39 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-15 16:10 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-15 17:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-10-15 19:49 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-15 19:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-10-15 22:03 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-15 21:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-10-16 0:15 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2008-10-20 16:23 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-21 0:01 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2008-12-15 23:35 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2008-10-16 4:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-16 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-16 13:01 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2008-10-16 2:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-16 14:27 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-16 15:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-16 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-17 19:59 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-18 19:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-20 1:14 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-20 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-20 8:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-20 17:04 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-21 4:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-21 5:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-10-21 6:25 ` tomas
2008-10-21 6:21 ` Miles Bader
2008-10-21 7:44 ` tomas
2008-10-21 8:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-21 9:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-21 10:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-21 12:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-21 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-22 2:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-22 4:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-10-22 21:02 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-22 0:32 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-22 4:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-27 4:51 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-21 8:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-20 16:00 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-20 22:03 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-21 2:50 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-21 16:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-10-22 1:22 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-22 2:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-10-22 6:21 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-23 2:34 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-23 21:08 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-24 0:54 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-24 18:36 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-22 13:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-24 17:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-10-25 2:01 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-25 2:32 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-26 4:10 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-31 6:33 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-10-31 7:24 ` Miles Bader
2008-10-31 19:31 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-01 2:17 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-11-02 1:53 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-07 7:15 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-11-07 17:04 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-25 18:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-26 4:10 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-10-31 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 5:43 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-11-10 15:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-10-16 1:12 ` Kenichi Handa
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