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From: Jens Lechtenboerger <jens.lechtenboerger@fsfe.org>
To: Daiki Ueno <ueno@gnu.org>
Cc: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Default encryption for Message
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:18:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86y4t7vfkm.fsf@informationelle-selbstbestimmung-im-internet.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3zjdoielh.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> (Daiki Ueno's message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:06:02 +0900")

On 2014-09-25, Daiki Ueno wrote:

> Jens Lechtenboerger <jens.lechtenboerger@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>> I fail to see why encrypt-to-self should be tied to sign-related
>> variables.
>
> The variable name might not be too intuitive, but maybe you could
> imagine how GPG signing and encryption work.  Decryption keys are
> usually same as signing keys.

I’m not sure about that, but this may be a side issue.  GnuPG
creates an encryption subkey by default.

> Suppose that one has three keys associated with his e-mail address.  Key
> A is for encrypted e-mail communication with his colleagues, key B is
> for communicating with friends, and key C is for automatic signing of
> tarballs.
>
> Here, those keys are more securely protected in order of A, B, and C.
> He doesn't want to use key C for any e-mail encryption.  He doesn't want
> to use key B for confidential communication within his company.
>
> This might sound hypothetical but I do have a similar setting.  How do
> you address this situation with ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf options and Bcc?

Apparently, we have been talking about different things.

I was interested in mml2015-encrypt-to-self and looked at its doc
string.  Setting to t fails.  You explained that
mml2015-sign-with-sender or mml2015-signers are necessary.
However, I don’t want to sign and suggested gpg.conf/Bcc instead.

In your scenario, I see two choices, say concerning Alice with those
three keys.

(1) Friend Bob wants to send a message to Alice and is supposed to
choose the correct key B (but neither A nor C).

(2) Alice wants to send an encrypted message to colleague Charlie,
and she wants to make sure that the message is encrypted to her key
A (but neither B nor C) in addition to Charlie’s key.

For (1), my code sets mm-encrypt-option to 'guided to enforce a
manual choice so that Bob learns about the existence of those three
public keys in the first place.  (Ted Zlatanov suggested to save
that choice.)

For (2), I think that another variable would be necessary to
customize what key to use for what recipient.  (Gnus could ask if it
detects multiple encryption keys.)

I don’t see how either case is supported by mml2015, though.  What
is your configuration?

Besides, what is the intended meaning for signatures if
mml2015-signers contains multiple keys?

Best wishes
Jens



  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-25 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-21 10:08 Jens Lechtenboerger
2014-09-23 20:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-09-24 13:59   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
2014-09-24 15:28     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-09-24  2:23 ` Daiki Ueno
2014-09-24 14:30   ` Jens Lechtenboerger
2014-09-25  3:06     ` Daiki Ueno
2014-09-25 16:18       ` Jens Lechtenboerger [this message]
2014-09-28  0:16         ` Daiki Ueno
2014-10-02 16:51           ` Jens Lechtenboerger
2015-10-16 16:26 ` Refactoring of mml1991.el, mml2015.el, mml-smime.el (was: Default encryption for Message) Jens Lechtenboerger
2015-10-18  7:36   ` Refactoring of mml1991.el, mml2015.el, mml-smime.el Peter Münster
2015-10-18 14:09   ` Greg Troxel
2015-10-19 12:58     ` Jens Lechtenboerger
2015-11-06  2:10   ` Daiki Ueno
2015-11-07 20:28     ` Jens Lechtenboerger
2015-11-11  6:20       ` Daiki Ueno
2015-11-14 15:44         ` Jens Lechtenboerger
2015-11-20 16:31           ` in defense of GitLab or something (was: Refactoring of mml1991.el, mml2015.el, mml-smime.el) Ted Zlatanov
2014-09-22 12:49 Default encryption for Message Uwe Brauer
2014-09-22 17:04 ` Jens Lechtenboerger

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