From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/69318 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:27:31 +0100 Message-ID: <871vi4cvi4.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> References: <878wclke6j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4w5lbyb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87aawsh7ou.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262712531 31663 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2010 17:28:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:28:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 05 18:28:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NSDCz-000812-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:28:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54164 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSDD0-0007Mv-1N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSDC6-0006t3-JL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:27:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSDC1-0006nY-Nq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:27:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58049 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSDC1-0006nG-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:27:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]:45124) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSDC0-0006VN-UY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:27:41 -0500 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.175]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o05HRYYG005348; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:27:35 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F67C13ABB; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:27:34 +0100 (CET) X-Face: P05mdcZT&lL[-s2=mw~RsllZ0zZAb?vdE}.s (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:50:41 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-Misty-Metrics: poseidon 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119451 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69318 Archived-At: On Tue, Jan 05 2010, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:51:06 -0700 Tom Tromey wrote: > Ted> A better setup process for Gnus would be really nice, though. ACK > Ted> The usual pre-install and post-install scripts you find in RPM > Ted> or DEB would help. Those don't start per-user setup. The (missing) setup process (using Gnus half-done assistant.el or anything else) is per-user: configuring news server, mail sources, IMAP, SMTP. > Ted> I suspect many other packages would benefit from a better setup > Ted> process through package.el. > > Tom> If you want to try packaging it, I can explain what you need to do. > Tom> It is usually quite easy. > > I think the pre-install and post-install steps are pretty important. > Without them, packaging Gnus doesn't do much. I want the post-install > to actually set up the user's Gnus configuration. This has been a very > common complaint about Gnus. I don't think the purpose of package.el is to do or start the user setup. The Gnus assistant is supposed to be run when a *user* fires up Gnus for the first time, which is after the package is already installed and "activated" (by the *administrator*). I would oppose to mix admistrative tasks (installation) with user setup. > Installing it is the easy part, since it comes with Emacs. Can > package.el support that? I can't tell if this is the "activate" or > the "load" stage (are they states or state transitions? English can > be so ambiguous...) or something new; also it seems like this is > something external to Gnus, a function of the ELPA wrapper (although > it may be bundled within Gnus) rather than something Gnus will > always run for new users. This is the major question I have before > I propose this packaging on the Gnus mailing list. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/