From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68775 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus branches and sync with Emacs Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <871vobdxpu.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87eisdn3ng.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87skgri803.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248114027 8023 80.91.229.12 (20 Jul 2009 18:20:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 20 20:20:19 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSxTH-0000dg-BB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:20:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36956 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxTG-0007Ye-JV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:20:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxSZ-0007Gk-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxSU-0007Ec-GG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60949 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSxSU-0007EX-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:30 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po30.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.4]:41936) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSxST-0004bN-JW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014244.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po30.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6KIIw26028562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8C97FC056; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87skgri803.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:23:08 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.96 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112841 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68775 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > RS> If Gnus developers want to start adding new features to Gnus CVS now, > RS> we also need to have a bug-fix-only Gnus branch as well, say "v5-12", > RS> which is synced with Emacs trunk (to be Emacs 23.2). v5-12 would also > RS> be used for future Gnus 5.12.* releases. > > RS> As there's no Emacs branch (or trunk) for new features, this would > RS> imply that we cannot sync Gnus to Emacs for quite some time (dunno how > RS> are the plans for the next major version of Emacs). > > First of all, sorry for my commit. I had assumed that since Emacs got > branched and the trunk was open, it was OK to commit into the Gnus trunk > as well. I did not check with you and I should have. > > Please let me know when I can resume comitting to the Gnus CVS trunk. Whether the Gnus trunk should be synched to the Emacs trunk depends on how "unstable" the Gnus maintainers intend to get. My goal---and I think Stefan envisions something similar---is to have a relatively short development cycle of a few months, during which we'll insert a small number of new features (primarily CEDET) alongside the usual bugfixes, followed by a pretest leading to 23.2. If the Gnus maintainers can follow a similar schedule, it might be practical to just keep the two trunks in synch. (The recent change of `mail-user-agent' may or may not be consistent with this plan. What's not clear right now is the amount of changes that need to be applied to sort out the incompatibilies between mail-mode and message-mode. If the required changes end up being too destabilizing, we should either switch mail-user-agent back, or fall back on the alternative plan of using the 23.1 branch for 23.2.)