From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68637 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:39:59 +0900 Message-ID: <871vovsvi8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87k52rzyn1.fsf@benthic.rattlesnake.com> <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <0922916E-B9DD-41C4-8A3D-8550CDD56B62@mit.edu> <83r5ww1m3k.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246761627 6680 80.91.229.12 (5 Jul 2009 02:40:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 02:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Katsumi Yamaoka , Chad Brown , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 05 04:40:20 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MNHeN-00030x-PB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:40:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59226 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MNHeN-0000Oh-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MNHeH-0000Ob-Dp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MNHeD-0000Mi-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39812 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MNHeC-0000Mf-Rj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:40:08 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:55263) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MNHe9-00058N-IN; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.237.150.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.237.150] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1MNHe4-0005jf-5M; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:40:00 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5644BDF8C; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:39:59 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <83r5ww1m3k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:53:03 +0300") Original-Lines: 50 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112028 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68637 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Could you please post a list of the features you had in mind, so that > the effort could be estimated? Important things: 1. Proper handling of non-ascii text. For instance: a. Proper encoding of non-ascii headers (using "=?" notation) b. Ability to use other transfer encodings besides 8-bit c. Ability to automatically choose different character encodings depending on the language/context/whatever (e.g., for many cases, the "standard" isn't utf-8). 2. Ability to have both text and binary attachments (both are very important), and that these work together with the language support in part (1). 3. The ability to handle the various quirks of sending netnews as opposed to email (they're similar in many ways, but obviously not all). [This presumes that we're looking at _replacing_ the current duplicated infrastructure with something new/better -- if the non-trivial effort is to be spent to make mail-mode really do email correctly, it would be dumb to retain message-mode just for handling netnews!] Of course, message-mode already does all this properly. My observation has been that there are lot of corner cases, and a lot of software screws them up. It would be very very useful to have some of the guys that actually work on message-mode involved in this conversation, because they probably know this stuff in much more detail -- I only know what I use as a user, and have had problems with in the past. -Miles p.s. A probably unrelated problem, which made testing a bit annoying: I can't actually send _any_ mail with mail-mode, because my ISP's mail-forwarder rejects any messages generated with it! I'm not quite sure what extra headers or whatever message-mode adds, but I have no problems with mail sent using message-mode... -- Friendless, adj. Having no favors to bestow. Destitute of fortune. Addicted to utterance of truth and common sense.