From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/58356 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ignotus@freemail.hu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus is very slow in displaying headers. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:50:22 +0200 Organization: ..I must be a VETERINARIAN.. Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <871xhu54y9.fsf@my.gnus.org> References: <4knii01atsa54v7dm0gs6taep3v1uoglj7@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1093536569 27854 80.91.224.253 (26 Aug 2004 16:09:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6897@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Aug 26 18:09:15 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C0MOd-0002nC-00 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:42:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1C0MMu-0006Db-00; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:40:52 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1C0LaI-00067e-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:50:38 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C0LaI-0004rH-7U for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:50:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mx4.datanet.hu (mx4.datanet.hu [194.149.13.167]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D924A3A003C for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:50:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from ipoly-102.dialin.datanet.hu (ipoly-102.dialin.datanet.hu [195.56.32.102]) by mx4.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id D18DC2663D5 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ignotus by localhost with local (masqmail 0.2.20) id 1C0La2-0MB-00 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:50:22 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <4knii01atsa54v7dm0gs6taep3v1uoglj7@4ax.com> (Daniel M.'s message of "Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:40:59 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090018 (Oort Gnus v0.18) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58356 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58356 >>>>> Daniel M. wrote: > I noticed that even when I enter a group with a relatively small > amount of headers - in my case, 12000 for comp.lang.lisp, it takes > Gnus a very long time to thread/load them [...] Yes, the sad fact is that Gnus is that slow and it doesn't matter what you do you can't bring it up to the ,,normal speed'' (which means under 1 second), not even close to it. Heh, I still remember my horror when I first saw the speed of Gnus after using Mutt / slrn. With Mutt/slrn threading / displaying a message etc takes no time, you have all the time for yourself to actually *read* the messages and it feels good. I tried to do that with Gnus, trimmed down all the features I thought I didn't absolutely need etc but of course it was still extremely slow. But I sticked with it because it was so much more configurable, I saw at the time that with an Emacs based software the limit is my imagination, while with Mutt / slrn / etc the limit is the configuration options the developers decide to impelement. So as my elisp knowledge grew I customized Gnus bit by bit to my tastes, and of course Gnus became slower and slower but I was able to subscribe to more and more newsgroups / mailing lists. You may know already what happened to me. While mutt / slrn maximizes the time you have for reading by not ,,interrupting you'' with long computations, Gnus minimizes the time you will need to read the messages by having so much ,,time-saving'' features (adapting scoring is a godsend). And after you experienced both, I can assure you that the latter feels better. ;) So the moral of the story is that while Gnus is slow, following the same volume of messages with mutt / slrn isn't possible for me because it would take so much of my time. And for those who don't understand why would someone in his right mind read 12k messages: please never forget about the faceless, voiceless and lifeless masses of ,,Usenet junkies''. :-) -- ...sutongi tti olleh If you are smart enough to know that you're not smart enough to be an Engineer, then you're in Business.