From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/40040 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Matt Armstrong" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: thoughts on spam Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:35:33 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <871yjdc5wq.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> References: <87y9m9fs6b.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <20011102160930.CC3D1BD52@squeaker.lickey.com> <87wv192jzh.fsf_-_@mclinux.com> <861yjgbygz.fsf@duchess.twilley.org> <20011102235444.E9C73BD48@squeaker.lickey.com> <87n122s9k8.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <87g07tgqeu.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035175652 31144 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:47:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "(ding)" Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 25366 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 20:39:09 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 20:39:09 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 160qTu-0007NZ-00; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:36:30 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:36:10 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14129 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:35:51 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 25277 invoked by alias); 5 Nov 2001 20:35:54 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 25272 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 20:35:54 -0000 Original-Received: from hank.lickey.com (64.81.100.235) by gnus.org with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 20:35:54 -0000 Original-Received: from squeaker.lickey.com (squeaker.lickey.com [192.168.100.10]) by hank.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A01EE35 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:35:38 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204D5BD25 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:35:38 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by squeaker.lickey.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 94D48BD48; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:35:36 -0700 (MST) Original-To: Harry Putnam Mail-Followup-To: reader@newsguy.com, ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Harry Putnam's message of "Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:33:10 -0800") Original-Lines: 65 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.1 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.40/Python 1.5.2 (linux2) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40040 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40040 Harry Putnam writes: > Stainless Steel Rat writes: > >> * "Matt Armstrong" on Mon, 05 Nov 2001 >> | Of course, if I dumped every software package that ever screwed me >> | over due to a mis-configuration, I'd have dumped Gnus years ago. ;-) >> >> Let's just say that there is a difference between oneself being reamed by a >> bug and an entire company of some 350 employees being reamed by a feature. > > Matt, has gnus actually ever lost mail for you... I've never heard any > one say that? Gnus has certainly lost mail on me. Just recently mail was disappearing on me when my servers/mail-sources were all screwed up through no fault of my own. Mind you I've always been running the development versions since September Gnus, so I do invite this kind of risk (and I backup all mail before it ever gets to Gnus, so no real harm has ever been done). But Gnus is currently broken in its default configuration. If you follow the instructions in the manual, you'll have an "archive" group and your default nnml group living in ~/Mail. Then if you subsequently do a gnus-server-regenerate-server ('g' from the server buffer) of your nnml server, it'll troll through all of ~/Mail, including your archive dirs, and try to make groups out of them. Insanity ensues. Things get broken. If you do a "B c nnfolder:foo" and create a group that way, the 'foo' folder will end up in ~/Mail. ~/Mail/active will have a foo entry put into it, and nnml will start thinking it is an nnml group. Things get broken. Neither of the above actions elicit any warnings when I do them, yet they leave stuff horribly broken. It was when I was trying these things out that I was losing mail (stuff was in the Incoming... files, but in none of the mail groups). Recent threads suggested a way that Gnus can detect when mail backends start sharing the same directories and issue an error. I hope it gets implemented someday -- my elisp isn't good enough to do it myself. ;-) > I have never lost mail with it since my first usages around > quassia-15 or so, and I am probably one of the most sloppy and least > informed of its users. Admittedly, I was *trying* to break things when doing what I describe above. Still, I wasn't doing anything that wasn't easily doable with a few key strokes, or off a menu. I wasn't doing anything that obscure. > The only time I remember actually losing mail while using gnus, it > was from unleashing a really stupid rogue `rm -rf' that leveled News > Mail and every other non-dot file in ~/ Who hasn't? :-) -- matt