From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1754 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2021 22:29:53 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Feb 2021 22:29:53 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1lDxEc-003qZ6-Pe for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:29:50 -0600 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1lDxEc-00EBv7-5n for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:29:50 -0600 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1lDxEa-00EBuz-5P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:29:48 -0600 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1lDxEX-003qYq-KK for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:29:47 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sSWiolHebHumnuRGHRghkGc4rwNBNsccpCWD4C76dMA=; b=e9RQ4oZqAYVYxiOAga7b7zzbwJ 33+ndKQomml505yOqowHx6tCcAwC9/ScVhzjzUyStVNXoQ8uX8PCSN3292icfXSi5uWQKf4oHpm3/ Y66IbcwOEp1+1DkahAtUoYh83ZkAuuTVe4X6Gf3y1Yj1oP5VQ8M8pTnPzf6cZqomP7ME=; Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18] helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDxEN-0005Pa-NR for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 23:29:40 +0100 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF1E4FA167; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:29:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1613946568; bh=sSWiolHebHumnuRGHRghkGc4rwNBNsccpCWD4C76dMA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=pYCSU65fjsHipLwK30hpMwP0c9CBhN6TTUkWvBTOMePUKjCei+OgTXH69LZmZIglP W5PbA/rKhf6RwRMU8w/mDEMq8eW/JgSd63kxAdEn0pcdSpAB11DEjPNXe+knk8vaiK 0WmwDHyfBXRr+b0qBmgITeIGv4vCqaD3QD5YP56g= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Luis Henriques Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: Annoying issue with group not showing new messages References: <20210219120624.GA27346@camandro.org> <87pn0wkyqk.fsf@dick> <20210221173828.GA86830@camandro.org> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:29:26 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20210221173828.GA86830@camandro.org> (Luis Henriques's message of "Sun, 21 Feb 2021 17:38:28 +0000") Message-ID: <8735xpcawp.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk Luis Henriques writes: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 07:50:43AM -0500, dick.r.chiang@gmail.com wrote: >> One cannot practically use gnus without stepping through functions. This is >> why mu4e has effectively halted new gnus adoption. >> >> Send yourself a mail to a good inbox. `C-u C-M-x` on >> `nnimap-request-group-scan`. Then `M-g` on the group, and SPC step to see how >> it's supposed to look. >> >> Now do the same for the problematic inbox. Inspect variables and function >> calls with `e variable-or-function-call RET`. >> >> `C-M-x` on `nnimap-request-group-scan` to turn off debugging. >> >> This general strategy holds you in good stead for your entire >> emacs lifetime. Google around for more (onerously longwinded) info. > > Thank you for your suggestion. Unfortunately, I tried that... and gave > up. I'm not (e)lisp literate so debugging such complex code isn't > something I'm ready to do. And no, I'm not moving to mu4e :-) Something that works sometimes with nnimap is to edit the full group parameters ("G E"), and just blast all the mark information, maybe the active cons as well. That would be the third and fourth elements of the list -- I think you can just replace them with nil, though it's been a while since I had to do this. That should trigger a full initial sync of the group, which usually flushes out the kinds of problems you're seeing. No promises! But it's worth trying. Eric