From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/87674 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: IMAP changes timestamp when moving an article to another group Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:52:00 -0700 Message-ID: <87377nmxz3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <867fbvja33.fsf@dod.no> <86h8whdswa.fsf@dod.no> <86shfwcnyu.fsf@dod.no> <87r2vfnbwm.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86d16ydg5v.fsf@dod.no> <87o9qchq36.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86ingk9dek.fsf@dod.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1505512352 22968 195.159.176.226 (15 Sep 2017 21:52:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:52:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+m35888=ding+2daccount=gmane.org@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Sep 15 23:52:27 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from mxfilter-048035.atla03.us.yomura.com ([107.189.48.35]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dsyXC-0005ki-H0 for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:52:26 +0200 X-Yomura-MXScrub: 1.0 Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (unknown [129.7.128.208]) by mxfilter-048035.atla03.us.yomura.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 24c03f2f-9a60-11e7-86ce-b499baabecb2; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dsyX3-00052t-Vv for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:52:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dsyX2-00052n-Cv for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dsyWz-0004gG-Mx for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dsyWy-0002wb-6d for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:52:12 +0200 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dsyWn-000574-Be for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:52:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:MaebtL5j1UWVBg0JJqgBZpNWOt0= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:87674 Archived-At: Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen : >> Steinar Bang writes: > >>> Currently, I'm guessing, when dovecot w/mbox does a COPY, the mtime >>> of the message file in the mbox folder will become time the file was >>> created. > > Yes it will. I just asked on the dovecot mailing list. > >> Beats me, I guess... Is there a configuration knob you can twiddle in >> Dovecot? > > I don't know. But I'm guessing that there isn't...? > > And if there isn't, the only ways to preserve INTERNALDATE on folder > moves with nnimap in Gnus on dovecot with maildir, are: > > 1. Go back to using MOVE for dovecot, ie. reverting the March 2016 > changes to Gnus: > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/gnus/nnimap.el?id=d5427e71da28856c5e43396a37ffd0c906947499 > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/gnus/nnimap.el?id=8ed27bdf88cab134c26f3609c4d11c574f74705c > > 2. Use APPEND instead of COPY so that INTERNALDATE can be specified Hmm, the comments don't really say *what* brokenness the quirks were meant to fix. I wouldn't feel confident at all in saying what the right thing to do is. Maybe Lars will chime in...