From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80968 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: spam2.el again (was: bug#9434: [nnir] error quitting group) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:45:59 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <8739b25bh4.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> References: <8762l7ripv.fsf@andy.bu.edu> <87y5y3pzjv.fsf@andy.bu.edu> <87obyzpy3s.fsf@andy.bu.edu> <87y5swkbz8.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: ding@gnus.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327614635 8736 80.91.229.12 (26 Jan 2012 21:50:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:50:35 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M29250@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jan 26 22:50:32 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RqXDA-0006Gb-M9 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:50:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RqXD5-00073T-0t; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:50:23 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RqXD4-00073N-43 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:50:22 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RqXD2-0002mR-VD for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:50:22 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqXD1-0000uF-FP for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:50:19 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RqXCu-000672-Cb for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:50:12 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.133 ([38.98.147.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:50:12 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.133 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:50:12 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.133 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nt7W+nyUzjmcED03EIaLlE59qxo= X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80968 Archived-At: Following up with a changed subject because the original subject was completely wrong. Ted On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:49:15 -0600 Ted Zlatanov wrote: TZ> On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:44:08 -0800 Dave Abrahams wrote: >>> This is definitely NOT the case for nnir right now (but will be as >>> soon as I push my re-write). So I might be wrong about the >>> spam-related variables being global, and I'm sorry I suggested >>> it. Maybe Ted can set me straight? DA> I sure hope it's supported. TZ> The spam.el code is not buffer-localized. All the variables it creates TZ> are global. I'd rather rewrite the whole thing as spam2.el than try to TZ> fix this one thing, because there are so many other issues with spam.el: TZ> - hard to configure TZ> - not loaded by default TZ> - not well integrated with the Gnus registry TZ> - old and unused spam/ham processors TZ> - copy/move logic needs to be much cleaner TZ> - general logic is hard to follow, I was learning ELisp (I still am, but TZ> hey, it's only been 15 years) TZ> - elegant original design by Francois Pinard corrupted by my primitive TZ> knowledge of ELisp ;) TZ> - many new ideas floating in my head, especially "jam" handling (spam TZ> you have legitimately requested) TZ> - at least 2 old threads had improvement suggestions for spam2.el, and TZ> I've saved them for a rainy day TZ> CC to ding mailing list for comments.